[DavS1]

I don't think disabling the OBD's power supply would even fix it via locking/unlocking the car as the 12v power feed is only for powering the scanner that plugs in to read faults/software AFAIK. So powering their scanner via other means would be easy enough to work around.

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by DavS1

I don't think disabling the OBD's power supply would even fix it via locking/unlocking the car as the 12v power feed is only for powering the scanner that plugs in to read faults/software AFAIK. So powering their scanner via other means would be easy enough to work around.

My initial thought was to disable power supply, however reading a bit more revealed as you said.
It is not linked to +ve but to something else.

[Meshyo]

That reply form BMW almost takes the P**s!!!

[donruffd]

Had my e93 nicked last night, came out to find my tinted glass on the floor, had a call from the old bill this afternoon to say they found the car in someones garden
i reeaaaaaaaaally reeeeeeeeeeally want to bring this issue to the heads of bmw and i will see to it that the cosmetic damage is footed by bmw (door handle and window smash) *dare to try* we cannot stop until they do something about this, pay xyz amount and some thieving scum can be off with our motors in 60 seconds in this day and age
had a read of gavins twitter and he's full of spin, let the war begin

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by donruffd

Had my e93 nicked last night, came out to find my tinted glass on the floor, had a call from the old bill this afternoon to say they found the car in someones garden
i reeaaaaaaaaally reeeeeeeeeeally want to bring this issue to the heads of bmw and i will see to it that the cosmetic damage is footed by bmw (door handle and window smash) *dare to try* we cannot stop until they do something about this, pay xyz amount and some thieving scum can be off with our motors in 60 seconds in this day and age
had a read of gavins twitter and he's full of spin, let the war begin

Really sorry to hear that mate.
Please read this thread and I hope it helps to make your BMW secure.

[donruffd]

Originally Posted by makkan00

Really sorry to hear that mate.
Please read this thread and I hope it helps to make your BMW secure.

Thanks brilliant thread mate!

[donruffd]

Just to let you guys knows, i spent an hour on the phone with bmw uk yesterday (transferred to a manager after 20 mins) which ended in them indirectly admitting they have a problem with their cars but refuse to help, told me this is what insurance is for and it is a criminal act then offered a new software update that i am liable to pay for! i told him i will be taking this matter further, which i plan to and will be seeking legal advice
i wonder if anybody has filed a case against them in court yet? sure there are very strong grounds here

[vblanche]

Originally Posted by donruffd

i told him i will be taking this matter further, which i plan to and will be seeking legal advice
i wonder if anybody has filed a case against them in court yet? sure there are very strong grounds here

happy to do the same if you explain me how...

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by donruffd

Just to let you guys knows, i spent an hour on the phone with bmw uk yesterday (transferred to a manager after 20 mins) which ended in them indirectly admitting they have a problem with their cars but refuse to help, told me this is what insurance is for and it is a criminal act then offered a new software update that i am liable to pay for! i told him i will be taking this matter further, which i plan to and will be seeking legal advice
i wonder if anybody has filed a case against them in court yet? sure there are very strong grounds here

As far as we know, there is no software update for 3 series yet.
It is available for X5/6 only.

Unless BMW has something and they are hiding it.

[donruffd]

Originally Posted by vblanche

happy to do the same if you explain me how...

Right, Just came off the phone with a lovely lady at "Motor Codes" who apparently monitor the whole motor industry. I spoke with her regarding my car being stolen, method and whatnot, and was gob smacked to find out i was the first person to bring this to their attention!
she said if loads of people call and report it then they will be obliged to get onto bmw's case to do something about it! so get ringing guys!

0800 692 0825
http://www.motorcodes.co.uk/garage/t...-code-faq.html


in regards to legal action she said unless i bought the car from bmw direct i will find it tricky suing for compensation from them direct, however i may have a case against the person i bought it from and kindly gave me the number of consumer advice line: 08454040506

[donruffd]

Originally Posted by makkan00

As far as we know, there is no software update for 3 series yet.
It is available for X5/6 only.

Unless BMW has something and they are hiding it.

think he just said it to get rid of me tbh

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by donruffd

Right, Just came off the phone with a lovely lady at "Motor Codes" who apparently monitor the whole motor industry. I spoke with her regarding my car being stolen, method and whatnot, and was gob smacked to find out i was the first person to bring this to their attention!
she said if loads of people call and report it then they will be obliged to get onto bmw's case to do something about it! so get ringing guys!

0800 692 0825
http://www.motorcodes.co.uk/garage/t...-code-faq.html


in regards to legal action she said unless i bought the car from bmw direct i will find it tricky suing for compensation from them direct, however i may have a case against the person i bought it from and kindly gave me the number of consumer advice line: 08454040506

Added this to my thread.

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by donruffd

Right, Just came off the phone with a lovely lady at "Motor Codes" who apparently monitor the whole motor industry. I spoke with her regarding my car being stolen, method and whatnot, and was gob smacked to find out i was the first person to bring this to their attention!
she said if loads of people call and report it then they will be obliged to get onto bmw's case to do something about it! so get ringing guys!

0800 692 0825
http://www.motorcodes.co.uk/garage/t...-code-faq.html


in regards to legal action she said unless i bought the car from bmw direct i will find it tricky suing for compensation from them direct, however i may have a case against the person i bought it from and kindly gave me the number of consumer advice line: 08454040506

will call...

cheers mate...

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by donruffd

Right, Just came off the phone with a lovely lady at "Motor Codes" who apparently monitor the whole motor industry. I spoke with her regarding my car being stolen, method and whatnot, and was gob smacked to find out i was the first person to bring this to their attention!
she said if loads of people call and report it then they will be obliged to get onto bmw's case to do something about it! so get ringing guys!

0800 692 0825
http://www.motorcodes.co.uk/garage/t...-code-faq.html


in regards to legal action she said unless i bought the car from bmw direct i will find it tricky suing for compensation from them direct, however i may have a case against the person i bought it from and kindly gave me the number of consumer advice line: 08454040506

It started out as being quite promising,however it falls down quite badly in a few respects:

"Motor Codes" who apparently monitor the whole motor industry.

Really,I can't believe that they've missed out on such a big story within the motor industry,have they been on extended leave for the last yr?

"in regards to legal action she said unless i bought the car from bmw direct i will find it tricky suing for compensation from them direct, however i may have a case against the person i bought it from"

On what grounds could you possibly seek compensation from anyone,BMW certainly don't acknowledge any fault,why would A.N.Other be responsible for a fault that allegedly does not exist.

Sorry Don,I'm not having a dig at you,but I suspect Motor Codes have as many teeth as a tortoise,and the lady you spoke to knows very little about the law,and how it works.

[xenon]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

I suspect Motor Codes have as many teeth as a tortoise,and the lady you spoke to knows very little about the law,and how it works.

I'm sure you're right about the first; the second I'm not so sure. If you sued under the guise of "fit for purpose" or "mercheantable quality" under the SoGA then your claim would be against whoever you purchased it from and not against the manufacturer.

[zltm089]

i emailed them....but no luck...

Good Afternoon.



Many thanks for contacting Motor Codes with your query.



The aim of The Motor Industry Conciliation Service is to resolve disputes that arise under the terms and conditions of the manufacturer’s warranty and the manufacturer’s obligations set out in the New Car Code of Practice.



BMW do subscribe to Motor Codes of Practice for the New Car Code of Practice as stated above. This means that should the manufacturer fail to meet the terms and conditions that are set within the Warranty Policy then potentially we would be able to assist on resolving the dispute that arises from this.



From your email, I note that there is not a present dispute.



In regards to your query, unfortunately, this is not something that Motor Codes would look into.



If you feel that there is a design issue within BMW this is classed as a design issue and is a legal matter that is not within our remit.



I would advise you to raise your query with BMW and/or VOSA on 0300 123 9000 to see if they can assist in any way with this matter.



All the best,



Kind Regards,

Stacey Williams
Motor Codes Officer
Motor Codes Limited
Tel: +44(0)800 692 0825

Web: www.motorcodes.co.uk

Twitter: www.twitter.com/chrismasonmcl

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by xenon

I'm sure you're right about the first; the second I'm not so sure. If you sued under the guise of "fit for purpose" or "mercheantable quality" under the SoGA then your claim would be against whoever you purchased it from and not against the manufacturer.

Point taken,however if Motor Codes,who apparently monitor the 'whole motor industry',know nothing about the issue,BMW themselves also apparently know nothing about the issue,why would a s/hand dealer know about it? (of course I'm sure they do,especially BMW specialists)

Private seller = 'Caveat emptor' springs to mind

I could be wrong,but a successful claim on this issue (theft by OBD/key cloning) is as likely as a rocking horse shitting in the nursery.

[Boz335i]

Just been to the dealer and bought a blank port from the parts desk.

Dealer: "that could be the best £5.95 you've spent on your car"
Me: "so you know what's on TV tonight then"
Dealer: "Yeah, we'll all be watching it later"
Me: "So finally something will be done about it"
Dealer: "I doubt it, there's not much point, as the thieves will come up with something else as soon as we fix it"
Me: "Oh, ok then, bye"

[donruffd]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

Point taken,however if Motor Codes,who apparently monitor the 'whole motor industry',know nothing about the issue,BMW themselves also apparently know nothing about the issue,why would a s/hand dealer know about it? (of course I'm sure they do,especially BMW specialists)

Private seller = 'Caveat emptor' springs to mind

I could be wrong,but a successful claim on this issue (theft by OBD/key cloning) is as likely as a rocking horse shitting in the nursery.

I did say this to her, i was a bit sceptical about the whole idea of the making a claim against a dealer, she said if i can prove there is an issue with the cars, (without internet because apparently its not admissible in court) then there is a possibility of a case, but i should speak with the consumer advice before making reports and whatnot about the alarm being defective to avoid wasting money! she even went as far to ask me how i know so much about this, i think they did take a bit more than just annual leave or there is some serious hush money being paid out to shut the whole thing up!
However watchdog is on tonight about the whole thing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19562487
lets hope this helps our cause

[donruffd]

Originally Posted by Boz335i

Just been to the dealer and bought a blank port from the parts desk.

Dealer: "that could be the best £5.95 you've spent on your car"
Me: "so you know what's on TV tonight then"
Dealer: "Yeah, we'll all be watching it later"
Me: "So finally something will be done about it"
Dealer: "I doubt it, there's not much point, as the thieves will come up with something else as soon as we fix it"
Me: "Oh, ok then, bye"

i might put a punt down on how long the Chief Exec has left in his job, end of the year latest i reckon!

[Matrez]

Fantastic job

I am able to do anything it needs any day !

Count me in.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by donruffd

However watchdog is on tonight about the whole thing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19562487
lets hope this helps our cause

I do hope Watchdog present a good case,and do the subject justice,I'm hoping the piece doesn't involve a poorly written and non jokey script,a motorbike,1 goon and a pillion riding benefit cheat!

I won't be holding my breath,and I hope no one else does!