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06-30-2009, 06:48 PM | #67 |
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Fear not, I have my HD video camera and external mic here taking some excellent video quality for all the forum vultures.
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06-30-2009, 06:53 PM | #68 |
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Right. More does not always = better.
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06-30-2009, 06:54 PM | #69 |
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oh no I understand that, i'm just saying I dont think GIAC would put anything above that level.
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06-30-2009, 07:25 PM | #70 | |
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My source?How bout 4 cars running flash tunes,2 b5 s4s running off the shelf giac tunes,My brother and cousin have both been running a giac flash for a few years now,got the flash and that was it.No retunes,no forums,NO PROBLEMS WITH THERE TUNES. See I emailed giac the second week the 335i came out and was very interested in there flash,they told me they were doing a few other projects and would get to it eventually. Some more sources for you,I have been running the shark injector on my m3 for 8 fucking years without a single problem with the tune,you know whyyyyyy,because jim C didnt go over board and go for the most power and made a safe reliable off the shelf tune,Ohhh and my dinan tune on my DD has been on the car for about 6 years now and still running fine,never once have I had a problem. You do know that turner motorsports has a flash for the 335 right?Its been the same flash for almost a year,they did the r&d and made a tune that they can sell to the masses witch is called an off the shelf tune,its made to work perfect and work on every car with minimal mods. There is no demand for new maps bro,they drove the car hard,made a tune and drove it hard,if there was more power to be made they would give it to you.they wont play the tune games like the jb3 and procede,see even AA left these forums,they made a tune,tweaked it,then left it solid and said that its,heres our tune,thats what you get. Im not hating on giac,I was responding to the guy that said the ecu tuning was limited to 14psi,its not,that is where the safe limits start to get into trouble. Heres a little real world story for you because I have been there and done that,my friend made 508whp with his 35r evo,on pump....It was basically a max dyno run,kid drove it around even tho he knew it was knocking a little and bam,the other night fucked the thing up big time. the stock turbos are good for 15psi if you want them to last,I dont care what tune you run,do what ever you want its your car. You sound like a perfect person for the shark edit,start flashing people cars to run 19-20psi on race and meth and see how many turbos start to whine after a few months. |
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06-30-2009, 07:42 PM | #71 | |
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JimC's shark tune for the 335 is a fail. Its lame. Theres people on this forum that have been running JB1,2,3s or Vishnu for over 50k miles without a hiccup. Go do some research and you'll find that lately people have been having more problems with Dinan's $2k flash than they have with the two leading piggys on the market and on top of that the money that Dinan said was for their warranty work is being denied. Your prior experience with GIAC is appreciated but it doesnt mean S**t when it comes to the 335. Its not an VW/audi/porsche. Its a twin turbo bmw with a completely different DME. NOT doubting GIACs quality. Im just not jumping on anyones bandwagon til i see results. and last where the hell are u getting 20psi from. If you've been doing any reading and research both Vishnu and Burger are decreasing boost while increasing power. So far piggy is the ONLY good way to go for the 335. You make it seem like a theres been hundreds of turbos that have blown on this forum. Out of the many thousands of piggies sold between all these companies i bet you less than 1% have had any type of turbo failure. I'll take those percentages all day long. Again im not bashing GIAC i think theyre a great company. Im just defending piggys.
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06-30-2009, 07:49 PM | #72 | |
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where are you getting me bashing piggies,all im saying is this tune wont be as powerfull as the jb and procede,they wont run as much boost.giac has been doing tuning for a while now.they test there tunes for a long time and put out a flash and thats it. once its out its out.it might have a race map ect.but there wont be maps like the jb or procede. the 19-20 psi came from a member that I quoted that dynod his car at 19psi.Let me ask you this and be honest. Do you run your car at 19psi?Bet you that same guy right after his dyno he went right back down to 16-17,it was nothing but a dyno queen run on race gas ect...just to post on here his new numbers companies that flash cars dont want to keep flashing the same car,its not a easy process,they want to make a decent tune and be done with it. This all started from a member thinking a flash tune cant go over 14psi,that is not true at all,the flash tuners choose not to go over that for a reason. |
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06-30-2009, 08:00 PM | #73 | |
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p.s. - i wasnt coming at you to offend u or anything. Just a healthy debate bro.
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06-30-2009, 08:11 PM | #74 | |
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I already know whats going to happen when the dynos get posted,you will see lots of people crapping on it because it only made xamount of power,you will see bro,just wait.Your going to see all the dyno queen juice heads come in and say f that I made way more than that with my xxx tune. they dont understand that this is ment as a safe flash for the masses. its going to be exactly what you posted 60whp vs 90whp and one taking a little more risk than the other. |
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06-30-2009, 08:25 PM | #75 | |
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thats why I ask on almost every dyno thread "what boost?" I barely ever get replies, its sad.
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Again, why is Shark edit relevant here, it does not exist, and likely will never exist. Also, I am not a tuner, and even if I had the programming skills, I likely would not be tuning random people’s cars. As I said above, a tune depends on many factors, its not just about plugging in a boost controller and cranking the knob.
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06-30-2009, 09:00 PM | #77 | |
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More good advice is checking to see if the HP and Torque cross at 5250 rpm as this will let you know whether or not the numbers have been tampered with via a correction factor. The formula after all is HP = TORQUE X RPM ÷ 5252.
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06-30-2009, 09:03 PM | #78 |
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evo was tuned by big al at ics,the car was tuned fine,its the last words in your post that killed it.
that little boost knob lol,just 3 psi more wont hurt it will it,car must of been in the 600whp that night. fully built engine,cams,top end all redone,bottom all done and was even revving to 8600 all day. he thought because it was a built engine that it could take a little knock and upped it to 2.0 bar while racing a few very fast stage 3 ko4 s4s see 3 psi was all it took for my boy to do about 10k in damage to his car. |
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06-30-2009, 09:09 PM | #79 | |
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That said, while I have run and enjoyed GIAC tunes in Audi's, I do not expect perfection right out of the box. I know there were many iterations of the B5 S4 tunes as well as the Stage 3 AWE tune. Assumptions about perfection out of the box are unfounded. But continual improvement should be expected. The delivery (of updated tunes) is the questionable part |
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06-30-2009, 09:57 PM | #80 | |
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I personally like GIAC tunes and I have helped installing it on several customer cars. I can't wait to see what they have in store; however, if its more of the same old that has been tried on 335 before, I'd be disappointed. |
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06-30-2009, 09:57 PM | #81 |
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Given the reliability of the entire of the N54 (HPFP, Cams, seals, injectors, VANOS solenoids), the turbos aren't the only thing I'm worried about.
Based on what others seem to have been able to accomplish for "miles tuned", I'd bet the turbos are less likely to fail from being daily driven on a 15psi map (occasional romp on freeway ramps etc) than the other parts mentioned. I'm not in the know enough to comment on likely success of a new flash but the available ones for the N54 do seem to have their issues. It seems this DME has more tricks up it's sleeve than a vegas magician and prodding it with a flash to do what you want is no easy task. (the logic is insidious).
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06-30-2009, 10:11 PM | #83 | |
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On one side Shiv has been consistently priced out and out-featured off of every single platform he has tuned for by a flash. On the flip side GIAC has never really successfully jumped off the VAG platform Last edited by baltik; 07-01-2009 at 08:41 AM.. |
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07-01-2009, 12:20 AM | #85 |
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Woohoo can't wait for developments on this one!
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07-01-2009, 01:24 AM | #86 |
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I have confidence in GIAC. I'm running there tune in my blown M3.
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