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01-14-2010, 10:51 AM | #23 | ||
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01-14-2010, 11:09 AM | #24 |
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Go make Castol rich! But check back at your stealership every 6 months to see if they've changed the type of castrol you are running! Also ask for the original label on the re-labeled BMW oil. See if its "synthetically based, 100%, Full, Synthetic Technology"!!
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01-14-2010, 12:13 PM | #25 | |
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and although i have procede, i don't race or take my car to track, don't you think that 10w50 would be too thick? i don't hink they are not BMW LL01 or 04, neither in group 4...? and it does go below 15F occasionally in the winter time also... if SM>SL, i think imma give TOTAL QUARTZ INEO MC3 5W30 a chance... where can i get this oil the cheapest?
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01-14-2010, 12:21 PM | #26 | |
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01-14-2010, 01:33 PM | #27 | |
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Marketing. The truth is in the MSDS. Its either mineral oil based + aditives, or its synthetic based.
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try a random search of online vendors. |
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01-14-2010, 02:50 PM | #28 | |
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I agree, that if you find something that works, and if it noticeably lowers their oil temps, then that might be the right way to go. But probably not for everyone...for most just stick with the LL-01 oils, you at least can't go wrong that way. Lots of good info on this thread though. |
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01-14-2010, 03:20 PM | #29 | |
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We're talking daily drivers, not daily driver + 4-5 track sessions, or dedicated track. Choosing correct oil isn't rocket science. |
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01-14-2010, 03:29 PM | #30 |
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but choosing better oil does take some research it seems...
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01-14-2010, 03:35 PM | #31 |
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ok. can someone tell me or point me what the number before W and after W means exactly? i thought 0w,5w,10w are for temp. and w30,w40,w50 are for thickness of oil? no?
i got little confused because until now, i've been using bmw 5w30 and now i see i could either use 0w30 or also use 10w50??? that seems to be very different kind of oils...
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01-14-2010, 04:23 PM | #32 |
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first number is low temp viscosity, 2nd is high temp viscosity. They represent the viscosity at two operating temperatures...0°F and 210°F. Basically you want an oil thin enough when cold to flow, but thick enough to provide the protection the engine needs when hot. That's why those in the sunbelt don't need to use a 0w or 5w necessarily since they don't get to temps low enough to need a very low viscosity when cold.
Since a place like Seattle hardly ever goes below 0, you may not want to go with a 0w oil. Typically you want to keep the difference between the first number and second number as low as you can within the climate you are in. In CO, we can go from -15 in the winter to 105+ in the summer, which is why something like a 0w-40 is more desirable, unless you use a different oil in the summer and winter. Oils with bigger spread typically need more polymers to do so, which means they are more susceptible to breaking down after time. Synthetics usually don't have to use as many polymers (if any) to achieve this spread though, so that's why you usually see them with higher spreads between cold and hot viscosities. For Seattle, a 5w-30 would probably be a better oil for you to provide the best protection. Last edited by raceyBMW; 01-14-2010 at 04:46 PM.. |
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Let's NOT forget Motul is also LL01 approved ............
Castrol ....... do you really think BMW (or any other mfg.) would recommend a BRAND NAME or much less, stamp it on the oil filler cap of every BMW engine without there having been some type of $$$ incentive offered by the oil company? Castrol has a financial interest that was enough for BMW to accept ........... no different than campaign contributions being made to a politician. For those who have pointed out that BMW engineers "know which oil to use within the BMW engine due to the intricate makeup blah, blah blah ..." well, what about the fact that tests show/prove synthetic oils begin to break down @ 7-8k miles yet BMW engineers (or whomever) say that 15K miles is a safe oil change interval. Yeah. Hopefully anyone following that schedule has leased the car & not purchased. |
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01-14-2010, 06:20 PM | #34 | |
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as Turkeybaster115 suggested, i would love to use 10W50 but, in seattle, it does go down to 10~20F some days in winter and that's what worries me using 10W50 which is very different type of oil from BMW castrol 5W30 that i've been using so far. i think imma give TOTAL QUARTZ INEO MC3 a chance to see if i like any better for my next oil change which is soon...
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01-14-2010, 06:50 PM | #35 | |
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yes, it is perception. nearly all gas flows through the same transmission pipes. additives are added afterward. your better off rotating amongst a few good brands for the different combination of additives each uses. also, its important that you go to newer stations that have high use. you'll have less chance of contaminants from gas sitting in the tanks to long or old tanks. |
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01-14-2010, 07:46 PM | #36 | |
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is good reputable tranny place usually be able to do transmission oil service? how many qrt of tranny oil do i need to purchase for drain and fill?
is it good idea of doing tranny and/or differential fluids at 50k? i'm approaching there soon
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Every independant BMW shop I have ever visited for any type of service or "tech meeting" has ALWAYS laughed at BMW's "lifetime" fluids etc. Fluids (trans., diff. etc.) are not meant to retain their lubricity for a lifetime and WILL break down. BMW fluids are nothing special .......... yet they would want the vehicle owner to believe they are. |
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01-15-2010, 11:27 AM | #43 | |
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Whatever verbiage that can be used by the car maker to further entice a prospective buyer into believing they have nothing to worry about regarding maintenance etc. The average owner of any vehicle isn't going to have a clue that there are normal expectations & then there are the exaggerated claims being made. We as enthusiasts know better ........ hopefully. |
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Don't forget Coolant on these cars is considered a lifetime fill as well even though they still use the same coolant as any other year.
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