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      01-26-2015, 01:25 PM   #1
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Dynaudio Esotar2 110 tweeters installed

My installer machined smaller faceplates and created custom tweeter pods for the 110s. They actually blend in reasonably well and don't obscure the mirrors. I also upgraded from the Helix DSP to the DSP Pro (thanks Don). Car sounds phenomenal. This is the best setup I have ever had (most expensive as well).


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Nice work, impressed you fit those in, I'll be using the MD100's
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OMG, those domes are just waiting to be dented by an inquisitive finger or two...

Nice work Shiv, I bet it sounds fantastic.
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You know that now there is one last thing left to do...... MW182's! - Those Jehnerts are sticking out like a sore thumb now!
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OMG, those domes are just waiting to be dented by an inquisitive finger or two...

Nice work Shiv, I bet it sounds fantastic.
These were a new pair that Jerry (Niebur3 on DIYMA) sold me at a substantial discount because they already have dimples (caused during shipment to Jerry). I may do some sort of grill on them at some point.
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Nice work, impressed you fit those in, I'll be using the MD100's
I love the MD100s, they image very well, except ... listen to the last 10 seconds of Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer, just before the song begins to fadeout. Drummer Manu Katche hits a few crash cymbals and my MD100s couldn't reproduce them gracefully.
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You know that now there is one last thing left to do...... MW182's! - Those Jehnerts are sticking out like a sore thumb now!
LOL! The Jehnerts sound pretty good.

I do have a pair of Morel MW220s (I think that is the model number), a pair of Dyn MW190s, and have ordered a pair of the Stereo Integrity shallow mount 6.5" woofers. May try them at some point.
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LOL! The Jehnerts sound pretty good.

I do have a pair of Morel MW220s (I think that is the model number), a pair of Dyn MW190s, and have ordered a pair of the Stereo Integrity shallow mount 6.5" woofers. May try them at some point.
High Qts drivers will probably not work well unless you are willing to open up the bottoms of the enclosures and allow the back wave to breathe to the outside. There already is a 2" drain hole in the floor pan, which is plugged with that green rubber grommet. I think it would allow enough air flow for most 6.5 and 8" drivers, knowing that the air now has two escape routes (kind of like a Dinan CAI ).
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MW182's for what location??
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I love it ! I think I told you that already though. lol
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You know that now there is one last thing left to do...... MW182's! - Those Jehnerts are sticking out like a sore thumb now!
There is nowhere sensible to put 182s that would justify the work over using the Jehnerts.
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There is nowhere sensible to put 182s that would justify the work over using the Jehnerts.
Having heard both drivers (MW180), I beg to differ! It's not even close.
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Having heard both drivers (MW180), I beg to differ! It's not even close.
I think you may underestimate my experience with Dynaudio. I am well aware of the performance and comparison. What I said though was that there is nowhere sensible to put them that would justify the change.

I have done A few dozen vehicles including a few of my own with 180/182 as dedicated midbass, so I know a bit of how they work. If it was a direct swap or minimal work, then my statement wouldn't have been made. However it is a good bit of work and a decent cost difference.
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Having heard both drivers (MW180), I beg to differ! It's not even close.
I think you may underestimate my experience with Dynaudio. I am well aware of the performance and comparison. What I said though was that there is nowhere sensible to put them that would justify the change.

I have done A few dozen vehicles including a few of my own with 180/182 as dedicated midbass, so I know a bit of how they work. If it was a direct swap or minimal work, then my statement wouldn't have been made. However it is a good bit of work and a decent cost difference.
Perhaps not sensible for the average consumer, but Shiv and I are definitely not average consumers...

I love the MW 182's. Let's just say that when I get tired of my Morels, the Dyns are definitely going in. They may need to be shoehorned, but they will fit!
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Having heard both drivers (MW180).
You heard them in the e9x series under the seats? How did they fit them if so?
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Having heard both drivers (MW180).
You heard them in the e9x series under the seats? How did they fit them if so?
No, not in a BMW.
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Don said it would be tough to even squeeze MW162s under the seats. The way to go all Dyn would be to get the Jehnert doorboards and put MW162s in the doors.

However, I am pretty happy with the sound right now, so I am not inclined to mess with it. The Jehnerts are doing a good job.

The Morels will fit, as will the Stereo Integrity woofers. My installer loves Dynaudio drivers in general and the MW182s in particular and has said that he can get them to fit. We had pulled everything out to take a look underneath the seats to see what was possible, He would remove the stock enclosures and fabricate custom enclosures under the seats. But when upgrading, you get to a point of diminishing returns and I think that replacing the Jehnerts is probably not worth the effort and expense.
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Don said it would be tough to even squeeze MW162s under the seats. The way to go all Dyn would be to get the Jehnert doorboards and put MW162s in the doors.

However, I am pretty happy with the sound right now, so I am not inclined to mess with it. The Jehnerts are doing a good job.

The Morels will fit, as will the Stereo Integrity woofers. My installer loves Dynaudio drivers in general and the MW182s in particular and has said that he can get them to fit. We had pulled everything out to take a look underneath the seats to see what was possible, He would remove the stock enclosures and fabricate custom enclosures under the seats. But when upgrading, you get to a point of diminishing returns and I think that replacing the Jehnerts is probably not worth the effort and expense.
To each their own. To me, the upgrade in midbass has been the biggest improvement in the car, and I think it can still get better (MW182.....).
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To each their own. To me, the upgrade in midbass has been the biggest improvement in the car, and I think it can still get better (MW182.....).
Kai, I didn't say I would never do it, I just said I am happy with the car as it sounds now and have no plans to mess with it for a while. Heck, I have had the car less than a year. Also, I agree that midbass does make a difference, but keep in mind that I saw a huge difference when I went from the HAT L3SE Carbon to the Dynaudio E2 430s. Other than the Jehnerts, I am running all Dynaudio Esotar2 drivers. So unless you have heard a similar setup, its not reasonable to speculate on how much of an improvement the MW182 will make.

Let me know how it works out fitting MW182s. I may follow in your footsteps some day. As I mentioned, if you pull everything out, including the enclosure, there is room. Heck, if Buwalda can get his HAT 8" drivers under the seats of his 535i, the MW182s shouldn't be that hard to fit.
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So unless you have heard a similar setup, its not reasonable to speculate on how much of an improvement the MW182 will make.
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I have no doubt that except for the midbass band, your system sounds spectacular. But I think I am qualified to comment on the difference the MW182s would make, because I heard a set of Jehnerts already, and I know how much of an improvement the Morels have made in my car, and I am pretty sure that the Dyns would be another step up from the Morels, so I am confident in saying that the Dyns would make a significant difference in your setup.

To put this in perspective, I thought the Jehnerts were about at the same level as the OEM L7 woofers, perhaps a tad more snappy, but definitely lacking on the low end, and easily pushed to their limits at volume levels where I still wanted more, much more. My Morel CW-8's sounded much better, and went lower, but they too started distorting at higher volume levels. After switching to the HCW-10's, the midbass came alive in my car. It was like coming from a NA 328i and stepping up to a twin turbo charged 335i, big difference in performance all around. But still, I felt like the woofers were being held back by the OEM enclosures. So after opening them up to the bottom of the car, it finally unleashed the full capabilities of the woofers. To continue with the previous analogy, it was like going from a stock 335i to a tuned FBO 335i. Anyone who has tuned their N54 will know what I'm talking about.

I am not bashing the Jehnerts, they are very good for what they do. I think 90% of the customers will be very happy with them. But there are always people like you and I who are fanatics about car audio, and we want the best. I am telling you, you probably have the best from 200Hz up and 70Hz down, but in between you can do much better, and I think you know it!
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You heard them in the e9x series under the seats? How did they fit them if so?

I tried to see if I could fit them in a standard under seat box, but found there was insufficient room for the basket and clearance for the seat. Maybe with a custom box, but then there's not much room for them to breath. I had MW160's in my E46 and they really needed the hole I cut in the door metal behind the pole vent.

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MW180's test fit:

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Slight O/T these Phase Liners would have been interesting - no box under them in this pic:

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This one was just for a laugh as I have some ID8's knocking about:

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MW180's test fit:
Oh mate nice try. They look like they are fitting under the seat though, but def not breathing at all. What are the mounting depth on these? Could not find it in its brochure.

Kai says he fit a 10" woofer by opening up the bottom of the car. How do you go about this? ..and the MW180s dont fit here?
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So after opening them up to the bottom of the car, it finally unleashed the full capabilities of the woofers.
By the way, great install on these 110 tweeters
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