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      03-26-2010, 03:36 PM   #45
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If none of these other european auto makers, don't post anything about this, then BMW is clearly just trying to C**kblock the market, for castrol.
Not really since you can currently buy Castrol SLX Prof OE (MB229.51) from BMW dealerships. Use what you will IJS.
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So the conclusion is to get Castrol Transmax Z ATF which isn't available in the US?

This is confusing.
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So the conclusion is to get Castrol Transmax Z ATF which isn't available in the US?

This is confusing.
You have so many choices with this vehicle.

For 30K mile intervals and no racing:
cheap OEM= motorcraft mercon SP

For up to 60K mile intervals w/o racing, or 30K miles with racing:

Castrol transmax z (if you can find it in the US)
pentosin ATF 1
royal purple atf
any fluid on ZF TE ML 11B

Also please don't ressurect my old threads. PM me instead.

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Amsoil is a shady company, making oils that may or may not meet any standards. We'll never know because they never bother to get them tested but just say "it meets the standards, trust us.". I hear there all kungpao chickenbased. If it Meets Mercon SP, they might not now about the relation to M-1375.4/LG6
Fixed it for you

TB, the Amsoil fanboi, comes out of the closet again.
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You have so many choices with this vehicle.

For 30K mile intervals and no racing:
cheap OEM= motorcraft mercon SP

For up to 60K mile intervals w/o racing, or 30K miles with racing:

Castrol transmax z (if you can find it in the US)
pentosin ATF 1
royal purple atf
any fluid on ZF TE ML 11B

Also please don't ressurect my old threads. PM me instead.
I might have missed this in the thread, but did you see the warning on Royal Purple's site? http://royalpurple.com/transmission-fluid.html
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I'm also wondering if Redline D6 is an option. Not only is it compatible with Mercon SP, but they specifically name the 6HP26 transmission in their recommendation.

I like that they have group V base stock.
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Fixed it for you

TB, the Amsoil fanboi, comes out of the closet again.
I've never used amsoil in my life, guy. I use Total engine oils in my car. sorry, wrong guy.
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I might have missed this in the thread, but did you see the warning on Royal Purple's site? http://royalpurple.com/transmission-fluid.html
Yes I read that, and I've never used it. I use pentosin ATF myself. It should be fine though. Its not a direct substitute for mercon SP, because it is more viscous, however, I know its a superior fluid.
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I'm also wondering if Redline D6 is an option. Not only is it compatible with Mercon SP, but they specifically name the 6HP26 transmission in their recommendation.

I like that they have group V base stock.
Redline, like royal purple might be ok, but they are both making claims on their spec sheet. Transmission fluids have to have certain additives, that do different things. The problem with domestics like royal purple and redline, is that they may be lacking some additives that the approved fluids have, so they should be fine, but there is a risk, hence the royal purple warning you noted. To stay safe use either motor mercon SP, which is what our OEM fluid is, or if you want longer drain fills, and/or racing performance stick to all the fluids on ZF's(the manufacturer) TE ML 11B. search for the list online. It should be available as a .pdf. The two stand outs on that list are castrol transmax z, and pentosin atf 1. The latter being what us "yankees" can buy.
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Redline, like royal purple might be ok, but they are both making claims on their spec sheet. Transmission fluids have to have certain additives, that do different things. The problem with domestics like royal purple and redline, is that they may be lacking some additives that the approved fluids have, so they should be fine, but there is a risk, hence the royal purple warning you noted. To stay safe use either motor mercon SP, which is what our OEM fluid is, or if you want longer drain fills, and/or racing performance stick to all the fluids on ZF's(the manufacturer) TE ML 11B. search for the list online. It should be available as a .pdf. The two stand outs on that list are castrol transmax z, and pentosin atf 1. The latter being what us "yankees" can buy.
Takin things a step further: the lincoln navigators 05 and up have the 6HP26 transmission. As such, they recommend Mercon SP. Is there any reason we would be more restricted on the fluids we're allowed to use? In other words, wouldn't absolutely any fluid that is Mercon SP certified work?
Which means as long as we have a good base stock like Redline, we'd be good to go for most any environment. Thoughts?
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Takin things a step further: the lincoln navigators 05 and up have the 6HP26 transmission. As such, they recommend Mercon SP. Is there any reason we would be more restricted on the fluids we're allowed to use? In other words, wouldn't absolutely any fluid that is Mercon SP certified work?
Which means as long as we have a good base stock like Redline, we'd be good to go for most any environment. Thoughts?
ok, Redline worries me. I have real world experience with it. I once tried it in my Acura, and i ended up draining then filling it back with OEM, hence my pessimism towards the brand.

The problem with your logic is this notion of "mercon SP certification". What process did redline go through to ensure compatability with the shell fluid? You can try redline, and it might be ok, but you would be experimenting.

Does USA made redline D6, or even royal purple for that matter:
-Certify seal compatability?
-Certify protection against rust and corrosion, in a european manufactured trans?
-have the right friction modifiers to ensure friction durability?

the reason why I lean towards transmax Z, or pentosin, is because ZF took the guess work out of it, and tested them along with quite a few other fluids, and ranked them based on drain fill intervals, i.e: TE ML 11A or B. transmax Z, and pentosin, are also TE ML 14C, and voith extended drain certified. Voith makes mass transit busses in europe, so they are both great for your high torque diessel.
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Which means as long as we have a good base stock like Redline, we'd be good to go for most any environment. Thoughts?
This is a good article on what ATF's do: http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp...uids_B1191.pdf
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The chemical composition of the LG6 is on page 2 of the MSDS: Mineral oil+ additives. The Mercon SP is the same thing too: "petroleum distilates" page 1 "Base oil: highly refined" Page 11. The price difference could be because Mercon is made here in the US, and not imported. Also, ford drivers, don't have the same disposable income as BMW drivers.
Just an interesting car fact. More US millionaires drive Ford products than any other car brand. Makes sense. If people blow their cash on luxury car payments it takes that much longer to build wealth. How many of us lease or finance our BMW vs How many paid cash on the spot?
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ok, Redline worries me. I have real world experience with it. I once tried it in my Acura, and i ended up draining then filling it back with OEM, hence my pessimism towards the brand.

The problem with your logic is this notion of "mercon SP certification". What process did redline go through to ensure compatability with the shell fluid? You can try redline, and it might be ok, but you would be experimenting.

Does USA made redline D6, or even royal purple for that matter:
-Certify seal compatability?
-Certify protection against rust and corrosion, in a european manufactured trans?
-have the right friction modifiers to ensure friction durability?

the reason why I lean towards transmax Z, or pentosin, is because ZF took the guess work out of it, and tested them along with quite a few other fluids, and ranked them based on drain fill intervals, i.e: TE ML 11A or B. transmax Z, and pentosin, are also TE ML 14C, and voith extended drain certified. Voith makes mass transit busses in europe, so they are both great for your high torque diessel.
I'm kinda surprised you dislike Redline. Especially because you owned an Acura. On Acurazine they swear by it in the TL trannies. Of course most anything is better than Z1.
I feel you on the 'certification' part. With most any brand.
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Interesting find. I don't know Ford products very well so I'm wondering which cars use the ZF 6HP.
'05 and up Lincoln Navigators use the 6HP26.
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Just an interesting car fact. More US millionaires drive Ford products than any other car brand. Makes sense. If people blow their cash on luxury car payments it takes that much longer to build wealth. How many of us lease or finance our BMW vs How many paid cash on the spot?
They're SUV's.
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Just an interesting car fact. More US millionaires drive Ford products than any other car brand. Makes sense. If people blow their cash on luxury car payments it takes that much longer to build wealth. How many of us lease or finance our BMW vs How many paid cash on the spot?
You might have a point if they were buying Cobalts and Fiestas. Instead that's an extrapolation error.
Look at the price of an F-150 King Ranch or F-250 Super duty diesel with leather.

I think it's more about functionality, if anything. Even that is too much of a generalization.

We're off topic though.
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http://www.motul.com/system/product_...pdf?1290086772
http://www.motul-canada.com/en/produ...TI_ATF_NEW.pdf

Motul Multi ATF tech spec sheet. It meets, and is recommended for Shell M-1375.4 standard. Plus, Turner Motorsport has them for $12.49/liter. I got 7 shipped for $99.95.

Just realized thread was a year old...well anyways

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ok, Redline worries me. I have real world experience with it. I once tried it in my Acura, and i ended up draining then filling it back with OEM, hence my pessimism towards the brand.

The problem with your logic is this notion of "mercon SP certification". What process did redline go through to ensure compatability with the shell fluid? You can try redline, and it might be ok, but you would be experimenting.

Does USA made redline D6, or even royal purple for that matter:
-Certify seal compatability?
-Certify protection against rust and corrosion, in a european manufactured trans?
-have the right friction modifiers to ensure friction durability?

the reason why I lean towards transmax Z, or pentosin, is because ZF took the guess work out of it, and tested them along with quite a few other fluids, and ranked them based on drain fill intervals, i.e: TE ML 11A or B. transmax Z, and pentosin, are also TE ML 14C, and voith extended drain certified. Voith makes mass transit busses in europe, so they are both great for your high torque diessel.
+1

This is exactly what my ZF engineer is stating, only use ZF approved fluids. Period.
Additives is the main reason and the amount of testing they have conducted with the 6hp21...

Why would you not want to follow their advice? That's my question.... a fluid that did well in the past for a certain gearbox does not guarentee anything about another gearbox, even from the same gearbox firm. And do not believe the fluid suppliers, they just want to increase their market size...
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Hi 'Turkeybaster',just want to make sure that I am able to use/mix the 'Pentosin ATF 1' in my transmission if I do an oil change, since some of the old ZF LifeGuard 6 remains in the Torque converter.

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Yes I read that, and I've never used it. I use pentosin ATF myself. It should be fine though. Its not a direct substitute for mercon SP, because it is more viscous, however, I know its a superior fluid.
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Check this out, FULL synthetic for ~$6/quart, and even specifically says our transmission.

http://www.carquestprofessionals.com...%206.10.13.pdf
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MERCON SP....Anyone has used this yet in their ZF tranny??

Followed with interest this thread and have done the first oil change and filter change with Pentosin but want to do another next week but am short of the Pentosin and cannot find anymore in Canada so am thinking to add two liters Mercon SP to the 5 ltr Pentosin I am going to put in the 6HP26.
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