[methodtim]

Originally Posted by BzsBimmer

I'd have to agree since the Dinan kit puts out a bit more.
If the price is cheap, it'll be a bargain for those who don't want to play with their warranty's but still want to play with their cars

Yeah, agreed. It'a all about the price. Given the paltry performance gains, what would be a fair price? 1k? 2k? (US dollars)

[SLCGoonski]

1k for 20hp? screw that. whatever BMW comes out with, it'll be a smallish gain for premium money. The warranty aspect carries a lot of weight.

On a 300 hp car, the 20hp (and 36 ft-lbs) isn't going to feel like much.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by SLCGoonski

On a 200 hp car, the 20hp (and 36 ft-lbs) isn't going to feel like much.

It's going to feel even less on a 300 hp car.

[SLCGoonski]

Originally Posted by methodtim

It's going to feel even less on a 300 hp car.

typo...and your statement is correct.

[vgame64]

Well I look forward to the hardware upgrades associated with this...I don't care much about the pathetic HP boost.

This looks like an attempt to profit on a lucrative market they have remained idle on; at the same time, they won't piss off the marketing folks by making the N54 more powerful than the S65. On top of all that, the car will maintain the traditional long life that properly maintained BMWs have on the original set of turbos.

Clearly, This is not meant to directly compete with the V3 and JB3 which are cheaper and way faster. This will provide a mild performance bump that should retain stock drivability and reliability while provide the safety net of a warranty.

BMW Performance seems to target folks that don't see the big picture: once you buy the aero kit, performance suspension, performance software, performance wheels, etc and have them installed...you have paid more for your car than an M3 and you still don't have a LSD. It's a great way to use any extra money you make a month, but I'd rather handle a larger monthly payment (and insurance and gas costs) and get an M3, or use non OEM aftermarket mods. I like the torque of the turbo...but the M3 is one sick car.

[Nick@aep]

wow, not much of a 'tune'. Props for them seizing the market on it from their business standpoint, but they could have at least put out something that made some substantial power to beat out the competition AND retain warranty. Procede FTW.

[jpsimon]

Worth about $20

[coolguy]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

please fix the link.

In context, the ZHP package with + 10 hp was considered a significant improvement.

I was really hoping they would include this in the ZMP.

It wouldn't surprise me if this Perf tune is essentially what I had initially.

The water cooler add on & IC changes may be an excellent mod.

As most of the times the AF always wins. Not sure if their IC will be better than Helix/AMS? If they have an upgraded oil cooler, I'll be in. My main int is to get Dinan3 without getting their exp upgrades and keep the warranty.

[stressdoc]

This will be a centerpiece of the fledgling BMW Performance Division.

There is tremendous profit potential here -- I'm not selling my BMW AG stock just yet. The advantages of OEM warranty, R&D, and the support infrastructure are huge. Once enthusiasts are lured in by the snap of a little extra power that makes THEIR baby special and superior to the run-of-the-mill 335, they won't be able to stop. Exhaust, Intake, Suspension, M-sport looks, ... $$$ for BMW, and happy customers.

But BMW needs to understand this market segment if they are to displace Dinan and others. The mind set at BMW AG is confused by concerns about not stepping on the toes of Alpina, Hartge, et al. Here in the USA market they need a more Darwinian approach.

The 326 hp tune is a good one. I was hoping they would see fit to release the 340 hp variant. I don't know what algorithms the accountants -- who, after all, are the primary decision makers -- used to make that call. There are lots of complications with government regulations, emissions, tax schemes etc. But for the USA market, BMW Performance does not want to start with a milk-toast image. With Vishnu and others offering piggys, and ESS and others offering flashes, that have 50 - 80 hp increases, the BMW Performance flash may seem anemic. That said, I think a fair proportion of the modding crowd will embrace this tune, if only for the improved cooling hardware.

Bottom line? It is about time! Thank goodness it has finally arrived. We may proceed with crafting our own individual concepts of what an E9x tii should be.

[Nick@aep]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

This will be a centerpiece of the fledgling BMW Performance Division.

There is tremendous profit potential here -- I'm not selling my BMW AG stock just yet. The advantages of OEM warranty, R&D, and the support infrastructure are huge. Once enthusiasts are lured in by the snap of a little extra power that makes THEIR baby special and superior to the run-of-the-mill 335, they won't be able to stop. Exhaust, Intake, Suspension, M-sport looks, ... $$$ for BMW, and happy customers.

But BMW needs to understand this market segment if they are to displace Dinan and others. The mind set at BMW AG is confused by concerns about not stepping on the toes of Alpina, Hartge, et al. Here in the USA market they need a more Darwinian approach.

The 326 hp tune is a good one. I was hoping they would see fit to release the 340 hp variant. I don't know what algorithms the accountants -- who, after all, are the primary decision makers -- used to make that call. There are lots of complications with government regulations, emissions, tax schemes etc. But for the USA market, BMW Performance does not want to start with a milk-toast image. With Vishnu and others offering piggys, and ESS and others offering flashes, that have 50 - 80 hp increases, the BMW Performance flash may seem anemic. That said, I think a fair proportion of the modding crowd will embrace this tune, if only for the improved cooling hardware.

Bottom line? It is about time! Thank goodness it has finally arrived. We may proceed with crafting our own individual concepts of what an E9x tii should be.

great post!

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by methodtim

I can't believe I haven't seen this discussed here yet...

I'm not going to start a repost series, but there are three previous threads discussing this.

It's easier if we consolidate threads, so I will close and merge.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231027

[BzzzBom]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Thx for putting my earlier post into a separate thread

Alpina_B3_Lux

Alpina B3 Lux is correct. I copied his post and placed it in a separate thread because I thought it was news worthy enough to get its own thread. All credit, however, goes to Alpina B3 Lux for finding this. I apologize if I violated any forum rules regarding plagiarism.

[vgame64]

Originally Posted by vgame64

This looks like an attempt to profit on a lucrative market they have remained idle on; at the same time, they won't piss off the marketing folks by making the N54 more powerful than the S65. On top of all that, the car will maintain the traditional long life that properly maintained BMWs have on the original set of turbos.

BMW Performance seems to target folks that don't see the big picture: once you buy the aero kit, performance suspension, performance software, performance wheels, etc and have them installed...you have paid more for your car than an M3 and you still don't have a LSD. It's a great way to use any extra money you make a month, but I'd rather handle a larger monthly payment (and insurance and gas costs) and get an M3, or use non OEM aftermarket mods.

Originally Posted by stressdoc

This will be a centerpiece of the fledgling BMW Performance Division.

There is tremendous profit potential here -- I'm not selling my BMW AG stock just yet. The advantages of OEM warranty, R&D, and the support infrastructure are huge. Once enthusiasts are lured in by the snap of a little extra power that makes THEIR baby special and superior to the run-of-the-mill 335, they won't be able to stop. Exhaust, Intake, Suspension, M-sport looks, ... $$$ for BMW, and happy customers.

As I stated in my post, I'd rather just get an M3, makes for fiscal sense to me. If BMW released a tii, I would entertain that idea...but the hope of a tii has faded for me.

[BzzzBom]

Will this be available from the factory as a ZHP option or only as dealer installed?

[vgame64]

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

Will this be available from the factory as a ZHP option or only as dealer installed?

I doubt this will come from the factory in the US as the rumored M Sport package didn't include any suspension or engine upgrades.

It looks like it would be a dealer installed option but I am not sure though...maybe this could be a VPC or PDC option to save money? (and I trust those guys more than my local dealerships)

Bimmerfile says it is a dealer installed option...

[cstavaru]

Below is the translation from the press release.

Highlights:

- 20hp/50Nm gain (30Nm for manual ), 0-100 improved by 0.2 seconds (5.4 to 100), 80-120 improved by 0.5 seconds.
- Will include many additional hardware components: water pump, cooling fan, some other stuff I don't understand.
- Performance intake for 335i is available !

BMW Performance Power Kit: Moving to a new service region.
The maximum increase again, border areas redefined options - such
Challenges, the developers of the BMW Performance Power
Kit successfully made. The result is a performance enhancement for the
Series six-cylinder engine of the models BMW 135i Coupé, BMW 135i Convertible,
BMW 335i Sedan, BMW 335i Touring, BMW 335i Coupé and BMW 335i
Convertible. In these models causes the BMW Performance Power Kit a
Increase the engine power by 15 kW/20 hp to 240 kW/326 hp. Similarly,
increases the maximum torque of the six-cylinder up to 450 Newton meters.
The main result of this growth is a force for the driver
clearly significant optimization of the acceleration and elasticity values
on all models.
When the drive unit for the BMW Performance Power Kit
was, it is the most powerful six-cylinder engine in the portfolio
from BMW. The engine, the top model in the BMW 3 Series and
BMW 1 Series is used, is fitted with a Twin Turbo Resolution adesystem
and the gasoline direct injection High Precision Injection equipped. It
achieved in its series Confi guration for the BMW 3 Series and BMW 1 Series
a maximum power of 225 kW/306 hp and maximum torque
of 400 Newton meters. With the BMW Performance Power Kit triggers these
Topmotorisierung now in a new service region. The BMW Performance
Power Kit consists of software and hardware components installed in
their function are perfectly matched. They were
specifically for the 3.0-liter six-cylinder series engine.
Targeted Modifi cations in the field of motor control have a positive impact
on the performance of fulfillment. An additional outsourced water cooler
and the corresponding air tours, and a particularly powerful
Fan for the main water coolers allow you to adapt to the
changing thermal conditions.
In addition to the uniform increase in the maximum to 240 kW/326 hp
does the BMW Performance Power Kit to increase the maximum
Torque to 430 Newton meters at manually-operated vehicles
and 450 Newton meters at facilities with an automatic gearbox.
The models BMW 335i Coupé and BMW 335i Convertible may
BMW Performance Power Kit also with the seven-speed Sports Automatic
with double clutch combined. In all cases, the drivers
Plus clear momentum is true, which is also confirmed by measurements
leaves. Thus, for example, accelerates the BMW 335i with BMW Performance
Power Kit in 5.4 seconds from standstill to 100 km / h. The standard sprint
can be increased by 0.2 seconds faster than training at a
Vehicle into series production version. The growth pace of 80 to 120 km / h
is even increased by 0.5 seconds faster than the production model.

The performance intake part:

Optimized airflow and concise tailpipes.
At a performance-enhancing air helps the new BMW Performance
Air intake system the series six-cylinder petrol engines of
corresponding models of the new BMW 3 Series. Based on the standard model
were of the filter element and the internal air guide
modified adorns. This ensures an improved airflow at lower
Room for a pressure drop. In addition, the system for a particular
sports-oriented sound experience in the vehicle interior. By
The BMW Performance air intake system resulted in optimization of
Power development will also affect the effi ciency of the engine positive.

[vgame64]

So is the intake a separate product or part of the software kit?

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by vgame64

So is the intake a separate product or part of the software kit?

It's separate.

[cstavaru]

I hope that BMW Performance Intake + Exhaust + Power Kit = at least 30hp...a $5000 costing upgrade, probably...

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

Alpina B3 Lux is correct. I copied his post and placed it in a separate thread because I thought it was news worthy enough to get its own thread. All credit, however, goes to Alpina B3 Lux for finding this. I apologize if I violated any forum rules regarding plagiarism.

No offense taken! I believe it was a good idea to do what you did.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[vgame64]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

I hope that BMW Performance Intake + Exhaust + Power Kit = at least 30hp...a $5000 costing upgrade, probably...

Hah I hope so as well. $5000 for 30 hp from BMW or ~$250 for the JB+ ...

And thanks for the information Alpina B3 Lux!

[BzzzBom]

Originally Posted by vgame64

Hah I hope so as well. $5000 for 30 hp from BMW or ~$250 for the JB+ ...

And thanks for the information Alpina B3 Lux!

I can't speak about JB+ but if it is similar to the SSTT, it provides a nice bump in HP and TQ but the car is not as smooth and refined as stock. Hopefully the performance tune will provide better acceleration, smoothness and decreased turbo lag. I'll bet the price will come in a bit below the basic Dinan tune.