E85 dyno today with jb4

ichi_ban · 08-26-2012, 12:40 PM

That's a sick amount of TQ

rudypoochris · 08-26-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

His boost is perfectly on target.
Your dyno was reading high as well . Do you really believe that your car can put down over 410 whp with just dci and e85?

Yes. I was doing 400+ with 50-50 mix of E85/91 and DCI only with a boost limit set to 18psi. Confirmed through over 50 logs on virtual dyno, excel, and vbox mix. Will take it to the dyno soon enough, but others are experiencing similar numbers.

At this boost though the stock turbos are slowly being cooked IMHO. Now I have an intercooler and will continue to focus on supporting mods or get RBs.

rudypoochris · 08-26-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbfan1717

21psi boost limit 60/40 E85/93 with 75 meth additive on 70% meth mix

Is this log from the actual dyno run you posted? Those numbers look low on the dyno. How did you test so many maps with out getting the learn time in between? Did you do a few rips on each map before taking those dyno results?

Really not sure why you are showing such low power. Do you have a copy of the log in CSV form?

ChuckD05 · 08-27-2012, 10:28 AM

is it that hard to do one pull on map 0 to validate your dyno? do it last, after your "real" pulls. No shop will say no to this

ChuckD05 · 08-27-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rudypoochris

Yes. I was doing 400+ with 50-50 mix of E85/91 and DCI only with a boost limit set to 18psi. Confirmed through over 50 logs on virtual dyno, excel, and vbox mix. Will take it to the dyno soon enough, but others are experiencing similar numbers.

At this boost though the stock turbos are slowly being cooked IMHO. Now I have an intercooler and will continue to focus on supporting mods or get RBs.

what was your 60-130 on Vbox

rudypoochris · 08-30-2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuckD05

what was your 60-130 on Vbox

Didn't run to 130mph. Just used VBOX to calculate horsepower. I don't own one and there is no flat road I can get to 130mph safely around here.

2jzn54 · 08-30-2012, 10:03 AM

I baselined 310/310 with bolt ons when I dyno'd earlier this year. 400/430 with my pump gas map on a DynoJet (no meth).. I don't see why 430/(and near)500 tq with just e85/dci is out of the question. Remember this is just a dyno.. not real world results.. JB4 allows you to run pretty aggressive with just e85 and autotuning. I've been running a 50/50 mix of e85 and 93 for several months now and there is no comparison... I haven't been on a dyno since my pump gas pulls, but would expect similar results.

Markyd83 · 08-30-2012, 10:12 AM

Ok so on the same day my friends 135i put down 308.2/360tq on map 0 with intake and downpipes. He did tell me and I forgot that the guy said the torque seemed to be about ~20 higher than it should have been. So I can't use his baseline as my own but u can see what numbers a similar car puts down. Ur variance is not gonna be that huge when comparing 95% of cars stock dynos. So a better bet would be 475tq and not 500. Still no complaints but hope this clears this up a little bit. Just trying to present as much info as I have.

I will go again after I get my 7 inch vrsf intercooler installed and do some map 0 runs and then fill up with e85 and run it.

Ænema · 08-30-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markyd83

Ok so on the same day my friends 135i put down 308.2/360tq on map 0 with intake and downpipes. He did tell me and I forgot that the guy said the torque seemed to be about ~20 higher than it should have been. So I can't use his baseline as my own but u can see what numbers a similar car puts down. Ur variance is not gonna be that huge when comparing 95% of cars stock dynos. So a better bet would be 475tq and not 500. Still no complaints but hope this clears this up a little bit. Just trying to present as much info as I have.

I will go again after I get my 7 inch vrsf intercooler installed and do some map 0 runs and then fill up with e85 and run it.

Most FBO cars on map 0 put down around 280hp/300tq on an "average" reading dynojet. That puts your numbers closer to 410hp/440tq when compared to the generally accepted baseline, which seems right.

Markyd83 · 08-30-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ã†nema

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Originally Posted by Markyd83

Ok so on the same day my friends 135i put down 308.2/360tq on map 0 with intake and downpipes. He did tell me and I forgot that the guy said the torque seemed to be about ~20 higher than it should have been. So I can't use his baseline as my own but u can see what numbers a similar car puts down. Ur variance is not gonna be that huge when comparing 95% of cars stock dynos. So a better bet would be 475tq and not 500. Still no complaints but hope this clears this up a little bit. Just trying to present as much info as I have.

I will go again after I get my 7 inch vrsf intercooler installed and do some map 0 runs and then fill up with e85 and run it.

Most FBO cars on map 0 put down around 280hp/300tq on an "average" reading dynojet. That puts your numbers closer to 410hp/440tq when compared to the generally accepted baseline, which seems right.

But I thought our cars baseline with no mods about 265-275 right? So with intercooler, downpipes, cat back, and intake it only yields about 10-15whp? I would think it would be closer to 30whp without tune.

Ænema · 08-30-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Markyd83

But I thought our cars baseline with no mods about 265-275 right? So with intercooler, downpipes, cat back, and intake it only yields about 10-15whp? I would think it would be closer to 30whp without tune.

yeah, 15whp is about the average. On the stock tune the stock parts aren't THAT restrictive so that's why there isn't a huge gain.

Markyd83 · 08-30-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ã†nema

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Originally Posted by Markyd83

But I thought our cars baseline with no mods about 265-275 right? So with intercooler, downpipes, cat back, and intake it only yields about 10-15whp? I would think it would be closer to 30whp without tune.

yeah, 15whp is about the average. On the stock tune the stock parts aren't THAT restrictive so that's why there isn't a huge gain.

Gotcha ok. Then I will definitely do a run with just FBO so I can get a solid baseline. I should have read more before I went so that I could have done that.

enrita · 08-30-2012, 11:17 AM

my car dynoed stock 250 whp and with stage 3 mods 272 whp.

2jzn54 · 08-30-2012, 11:18 AM

Bone stock I've seen DJ's reading between 265-295. Most people don't do proper dyno checks before going in for a dyno either.. Compression/light misfires/fluids/valve cleaning/fixing any issues seen in logs.. If you are going to dyno to see how much your car makes you should do a run down of all these things or have done them/checked recently.

2jzn54 · 08-30-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by enrita

my car dynoed stock 250 whp and with stage 3 mods 272 whp.

on a mustang or dj?

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2jzn54 Captain 41 Rep 823 Posts Drives: 07 E90 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States iTrader: (6)	I baselined 310/310 with bolt ons when I dyno'd earlier this year. 400/430 with my pump gas map on a DynoJet (no meth).. I don't see why 430/(and near)500 tq with just e85/dci is out of the question. Remember this is just a dyno.. not real world results.. JB4 allows you to run pretty aggressive with just e85 and autotuning. I've been running a 50/50 mix of e85 and 93 for several months now and there is no comparison... I haven't been on a dyno since my pump gas pulls, but would expect similar results.
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Markyd83 Captain 28 Rep 917 Posts Drives: 335i coupe Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago iTrader: (2)	Ok so on the same day my friends 135i put down 308.2/360tq on map 0 with intake and downpipes. He did tell me and I forgot that the guy said the torque seemed to be about ~20 higher than it should have been. So I can't use his baseline as my own but u can see what numbers a similar car puts down. Ur variance is not gonna be that huge when comparing 95% of cars stock dynos. So a better bet would be 475tq and not 500. Still no complaints but hope this clears this up a little bit. Just trying to present as much info as I have. I will go again after I get my 7 inch vrsf intercooler installed and do some map 0 runs and then fill up with e85 and run it.
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2jzn54 Captain 41 Rep 823 Posts Drives: 07 E90 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States iTrader: (6)	Bone stock I've seen DJ's reading between 265-295. Most people don't do proper dyno checks before going in for a dyno either.. Compression/light misfires/fluids/valve cleaning/fixing any issues seen in logs.. If you are going to dyno to see how much your car makes you should do a run down of all these things or have done them/checked recently.
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