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FBIS's Vishnu/FFTEC Review: Responding to some comments
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Former Boosted IS made it pretty clear that he does not want to deal with any trolls/haters in his very well-written and thorough review thread. I'm a bit more tolerant of them so I've started this thread to address some of their comments At the very least, I think this may help answer some general questions about our single turbo conversion as well as give some insight as to how it works and why it is configured the way it is. Many of you will not find any of this news. But some may find answers to these following comments interesting. So here goes.... Quote:
If there is any doubt as to the nature of these boost log pulsations, I encourage anyone to just look at the power curve from the dyno. I don't think there has ever been a smoother torque curve ever posted by a N54. The boost control on the Procede is pretty effective and I'd put it head and shoulders above anything else I've seen/tested. Running 25psi on a high compression motor is no small task and the results speak for themselves. Lastly, themyst fails to realize that the FBIS's baseline stock dyno result was only 262whp, which is a good 10-20whp lower than the vast majority of stock baselines seen from other Dynojets. So to claim that "our" dyno reads high is disingenuous. It's more fair to suggest that the dyno that FBIS tested at reads low. Also, it's worth mentioning that we don't have our own dynojet (we have an AWD Mustang Dyno). Instead, we use 2 different independently owned Dynojets (The Mustang Ranch in Santa Clara, CA and DNR Motorsports in Hayward, CA). They both read identically and provide numbers within 1% of each other. Stock N54s put down 275-280whp on both. Quote:
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And regarding our use of 4 1.0mm nozzles in our single turbo methanol injection system: Quote:
The fuel bandaid argument is pretty silly at the point since we aren't exactly scraping against fuel system limits at these power levels. In fact, we hope to support these power levels running straight e85 before too long. Quote:
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Cheers, shiv Last edited by OpenFlash; 09-07-2012 at 03:22 AM.. |
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09-07-2012, 03:28 AM | #2 |
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Originally Posted by EDM92
I wouldn't want to run a $#@! load of meth and race gas on my daily driver. Many people who own the single say they daily drive them. I would assume they want to daily drive it on pump gas. 450whp on pump gas is pretty slow for $10,000, in my opinion. ******** I'm a single turbo who runs 91+meth all day long. I run the map that has it active when needed. I'm running 4 nozzles and I can go several tanks on a single gallon of meth. No issues there. One thing that often gets missed, is that when you're running a single turbo on 91+meth, its freaking fast. I let off the accelerator a lot sooner than I did when I was FBO+meth. |
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I too daily drive 91oct + meth. The only difference is I find myself holding down the throttle all the time, it's like crack. My brakes don't appreciate it though. Thanks for taking the time to answer some of those questions Shiv. 450whp. Bwahaha
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09-07-2012, 06:04 AM | #5 |
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Holy crap, you guys stay up late. Is it from all the adrenaline procured from driving around your wicked fast cars all day??!!
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And have no doubt, any stock turbo car that runs 11.3x 1/4 mile times is making 450whp. Just as the dyno suggests. He should be aware that our stock turbo FBO cars are quicker at the track than this Protuned FBO car with RB turbos, but that is besides the point of this thread as well.
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09-07-2012, 08:41 AM | #7 |
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Wow, such anger.
When I stated your dyno reads high, it was in relation to the one FBIS used. You seem to love pushing big numbers without posting a same-day baseline, so we both seem to understand how to interpret a delta. And I am fully aware you are using a different map sensor as the stock one can't exceed 21.x psi. I got plenty of 2ABC codes to prove it! . I still think my comment regarding the boost trace is fair.
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Thanks Shiv. It must be a part-time job trying to squash the disinformation, doubt, and skepticism from those with predetermined dispositions.
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Hope that helps clarify some points... Shiv |
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09-07-2012, 09:38 AM | #11 |
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Posts like this that make me proud to own a Procede.
Shiv, your theme song: We gonna take over the World while these haters gettin' mad Take over the World, watch these haters get mad That's why all my bitches bad, they see this crazy life I have Hop into the car then we take 'em to the pad It's a wrap.
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One thing that never seems to get brought up when people try to compare upgraded twins vs the single, is the fact that the single is currently tuned to limit torque in a majority of the low RPM range for drivetrain protection as the boundaries of our platform are slowly pushed. I'm sure as the area under the curve for these single turbo cars gets fatter and fatter, we will see an even bigger disparity in the performance between the upgrades vs the one large snail.
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Granted results are great, but we all are curious to understand what makes this tick...
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09-07-2012, 01:35 PM | #17 |
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I actually like this discussion. Why must discussions be so peaceful? Interesting points and lots of details are being ironed out. I'm learning a lot by just reading them. As we all know, "discussion" has its roots in Latin, discutere -> quatere -> quatio, to agitate, excite, harass Discussions should be like this!
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One thing I would like to see more is if lulz_m3 knows anything about exhaust manifold design. Better merges? Larger piping? |
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Props to you guys for making this setup work while making make badass numbers.
I love all the handicaps that want a single turbo setup but talk mad shit about it when it's finally out on the market. lol Half of these people asking all these dumb ass questions are more then likely not the people in the market for such a setup.. |
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09-07-2012, 05:55 PM | #21 |
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All I can say is that the computer jockeys that live on this forum and run their mouths better be at shift sector...
I will pay your race fee if any of you can get your RB's or whatever twin upgrades you may have, to outrun Shiv's single turbo car. |
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09-07-2012, 05:59 PM | #22 |
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Agreed -- some pure clean races is a great idea, no numbers or different conditions, just line up a RB car vs shivs car or any vishnu single and see the turnout
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