[jimmylimmy]

Originally Posted by Nick999

Who the UFCK are you? Porsche salesman?

lol no, just a realist

[Nick999]

Originally Posted by jimmylimmy

lol no, just a realist

I still stand by a 335i M Sport coupe will stay with a 997 Carrera 3.6 all day long. With a JB4 it will piss all over the Porsche.

An M3 Coupe is in direct competition with the 911, so why not a 335i Coupe. Pretty much the same car under the body kit. Plus the 335i petrol can be easily tuned to match the M3's performance

I guess I know what your answer will be........ An M3 is an M3 .lol.

[briers]

Sports cars are so 80's

[jimmylimmy]

Originally Posted by Nick999

I still stand by a 335i M Sport coupe will stay with a 997 Carrera 3.6 all day long. With a JB4 it will piss all over the Porsche.

An M3 Coupe is in direct competition with the 911, so why not a 335i Coupe. Pretty much the same car under the body kit. Plus the 335i petrol can be easily tuned to match the M3's performance

I guess I know what your answer will be........ An M3 is an M3 .lol.

You know an M3 differs in more than just bhp to a 335i yes?

Your statement that the 335i is a high performance sports car and comparable to a 911 is wide of the mark, sorry to piss in your cornflakes

21 seconds a lap is more than just a "tune"
77. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:59.00 155 '04 355 / 1420 Walter Rohrl
88. BMW M3 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1619 Sport Auto
162. BMW 335i Coupe 8:26.00 147 '06 306 / 1610 Sport Auto
163. Audi S5 8:26.00 147 '07 354 / 1630 Sport Auto

I'm sure you will make some other witty comment about comparing your M Sport 335i coupe to a rep mobile diesel, so before you do, save your breath

[Nick999]

Originally Posted by jimmylimmy

You know an M3 differs in more than just bhp to a 335i yes?

Your statement that the 335i is a high performance sports car and comparable to a 911 is wide of the mark, sorry to piss in your cornflakes

21 seconds a lap is more than just a "tune"
77. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:59.00 155 '04 355 / 1420 Walter Rohrl
88. BMW M3 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1619 Sport Auto
162. BMW 335i Coupe 8:26.00 147 '06 306 / 1610 Sport Auto
163. Audi S5 8:26.00 147 '07 354 / 1630 Sport Auto

I'm sure you will make some other witty comment about comparing your M Sport 335i coupe to a rep mobile diesel, so before you do, save your breath

Lol. You got to have the last word.. Check out 335i vs 997 on YouTube

Go join a Porsche Forum and leave us BMW enthusiasts to enjoy our sports cars

[briers]

Sticking my neck out here but i wouldn't expect a stock 335 of either kind to challenge a 911 on a lap time.

I suspect you would need to do a fair bit of work to the suspension, brakes and diff before you could compete.

My 335d is quick in a straight line but it's nothing on a friends 911 when it comes to cornering and braking.

That doesn't mean to say the 335 couldn't challenge. I think the point here is with 1 - 2k of work it's well within range of keeping or beating some serious metal.

[Nick999]

Originally Posted by briers

Sticking my neck out here but i wouldn't expect a stock 335 of either kind to challenge a 911 on a lap time.

I suspect you would need to do a fair bit of work to the suspension, brakes and diff before you could compete.

My 335d is quick in a straight line but it's nothing on a friends 911 when it comes to cornering and braking.

That doesn't mean to say the 335 couldn't challenge. I think the point here is with 1 - 2k of work it's well within range of keeping or beating some serious metal.

Agreed it wouldnt challenge the more exotic 997 turbo, GT3 or Carrera S with out a little money spent on suspension and brakes, but it will stay with the base model 3.6. But who takes their car on the track? I havent had a track day since the mid 90's in my Sierra Cosworth, that easily beat the Porsche 911's at Castle Combe that day!!

Can stay with 911's on the roads. I have wiped many a smile off the face of cocky 911 drivers!

[dxb335d]

I tracked the 335d a fair few times and did the 'Ring also.

A 400+HP 335i is a quick motor. They handle rather well also. Don't think as quick as a 997 around a track though. Not in standard trim.

[dobbo99]

the video of the clocks is mighty impressive!
im already doing the financial maths.....

[jimmylimmy]

Originally Posted by dobbo99

the video of the clocks is mighty impressive!
im already doing the financial maths.....

dunno how the person who timed that gets it as 3.9 seconds though?

[CarAbuser]

Sorry to have stirred all this up. The topic is about the harsh depreciation on the 335i so i added my input on the discussion. I don't remember saying anything about performance.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal about the lowly 2.0 oil burners. Given the current worth of the 335i i could take my rep mobile in to a dealership and drive out with a 335i and some money in my pocket. Its certainly nothing to be so elitist about.

[dobbo99]

Originally Posted by jimmylimmy

dunno how the person who timed that gets it as 3.9 seconds though?

ha ha, we were thinking the same in the office. its not far off 4secs though.
what got me most was the consistancy round the dial.

6mpg looks good.

[AlanYoro35i]

Originally Posted by jimmylimmy

What does SE/M Sport have to do with performance? You really think a 335i is that much quicker than a 335d?

So a 335i is twice the sports car a Lotus Elise is then? 760li has 540bhp, does that make it a sports car? Is an E92 335i a sports car but a 335i E90 isn't?

Round a track, a standard 335i, or even a JB+ wouldnt see which way a 997 S went.

nah its not a sports car
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its a sports coupe

What is the defitnition to you as a sports car?

for me anything designed in mind to be fast and looks good with good engine and ability then it is a sports car to me as there is no predefine bodyshape of a sports car , 4 door or not , just look at the EVO's , you cant call that a family car.


And YES 335i is quicker than 335D

[AlanYoro35i]

Originally Posted by CarAbuser

Sorry to have stirred all this up. The topic is about the harsh depreciation on the 335i so i added my input on the discussion. I don't remember saying anything about performance.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal about the lowly 2.0 oil burners. Given the current worth of the 335i i could take my rep mobile in to a dealership and drive out with a 335i and some money in my pocket. Its certainly nothing to be so elitist about.

it is shocking but thosse 335i are the oldest and high millages cars, it will be hard for a good one to be found at that low price i guess. regarding the uproar od performace, you know you will eventually stir up trouble with the diesel heads when they see an opening lol

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Yoro35i

And YES 335i is quicker than 335D

They really ain't mate, been there done that and proved it myself. As have magazine articles.

But yea 450+ in a 335i is pretty untouchable.

[zltm089]

My e92 335i is a sports coupe which will smoke rx8, audi tts, cayman and boxters easily on a straight.....

even a 997 (normal model and not the S) ....doesn't really worry me....


i don't think in terms of performance, you can describe the 335i as a "mid executive saloon car"....

Tone's car (I assume), will make Turbos and GT2/3 sweat..... as the base standard e92 chassis is well balanced, ....

the e92 M3 is often compared with the 997 Turbo....

so i can't see why, the 335i cannot be pitted against other porkies like the Cayman/ Boxter/ 911 ?

a "normal" 911 (997) isn't that fast....I left one a bout 2 cars length on the A4 last time!...and the guy was trying hard!!!.....(I was in the TTS).....And the TTS has only about 270bhp...

[SelSol]

Originally Posted by Yoro35i

What is the defitnition to you as a sports car?

for me anything designed in mind to be fast and looks good with good engine and ability then it is a sports car to me as there is no predefine bodyshape of a sports car , 4 door or not , just look at the EVO's , you cant call that a family car.


And YES 335i is quicker than 335D

A Sportscar, in the proper sense of the word, is a small 2 seater that serves little or no purpose other than going fast. In its purest iteration, its a Lotus 7, elan, spitfire etc and its generally agreed that things like the Boxster, S2000, Elise, MX-5 etc are what constitutes a sportscar nowadays.

Its not about outright pace (that belongs to the super / hypercar club), its about driving enjoyment. EVO is not a sportscar, its a sports saloon (and for the record, if it didn't go quickly, it would be a real piece of shit japanese taxi that no one would ever look at).

I'm so not even commenting on the i vs d argument, its as pointless as it is moot because by the time either party proves anything its indecently illegal.

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by CarAbuser

Sorry to have stirred all this up. The topic is about the harsh depreciation on the 335i so i added my input on the discussion. I don't remember saying anything about performance.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal about the lowly 2.0 oil burners. Given the current worth of the 335i i could take my rep mobile in to a dealership and drive out with a 335i and some money in my pocket. Its certainly nothing to be so elitist about.

Nothing "elitist" about owning a 335 ! ...they worth about £12k now....

we're talking about good value for money in terms of performance....yes, the running cost can be high....

but for a sports coupe (current model/ shape) with 306bhp, and good handling...not many competitors around...in the £12k range....

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by SelSol

A Sportscar, in the proper sense of the word, is a small 2 seater that serves little or no purpose other than going fast. In its purest iteration, its a Lotus 7, elan, spitfire etc and its generally agreed that things like the Boxster, S2000, Elise, MX-5 etc are what constitutes a sportscar nowadays.

Its not about outright pace (that belongs to the super / hypercar club), its about driving enjoyment. EVO is not a sportscar, its a sports saloon (and for the record, if it didn't go quickly, it would be a real piece of shit japanese taxi that no one would ever look at).

I'm so not even commenting on the i vs d argument, its as pointless as it is moot because by the time either party proves anything its indecently illegal.

I wouldn't include an MX5 in the "Sports" Car definition....

they are more like "fun" roadsters.... Not quick and with poor handling....

[CarAbuser]

Originally Posted by zltm089

Nothing "elitist" about owning a 335 ! ...they worth about £12k now....

we're talking about good value for money in terms of performance....yes, the running cost can be high....

but for a sports coupe (current model/ shape) with 306bhp, and good handling...not many competitors around...in the £12k range....

Completely agree, I don't for one second dispute the fact it represents great value at its current price tag.

The original purpose of the topic was more about the trend of depreciation not diesel vs petrol.

Also comparing modded cars to un-modded cars is just senseless. People have managed to squeeze 1000bhp from a 997 so surely if you are going to compare a modded 335 then do it against a modded 997.

[buckethead]

when a e36 328i sport was 5 year's old price's were 15k to 17k, as a bmw was seen as a desirable car over 50% of its original invoice

now e9x at 5 year's are about 25% of their original invoice time's have changed and it's not been helped by the reliabillity problem's that most of the range suffer from and high running cost's of bigger engined car's

[BGM]

i bought mine in dec 2009 pick up in jan 2010

got an amazing deal tbh

not a 335d/i though obv