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07-15-2007, 11:37 PM | #45 |
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What 15,000 miles oil change........................
my car says it's every 20,000+ miles oil change................. come on people.......if you own BMW....wouldn't you recommend 15-20k miles oil change too...... or are you going to change everyone's oil for free at every 5k miles..... i was brought up with the slogan "3,000 miles/3 month" oil change interval...... but i modified it to 5,000 miles for each oil change........
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07-15-2007, 11:51 PM | #46 | |
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5K miles...so you're basically saying that premium synth oil is only 1.6x better than conventional dino oil. I would say that it's at least 3X better which would be 9K miles. |
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07-16-2007, 12:33 AM | #47 |
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5k miles oil change interval is only for me........I'm not recommending anything for anyone.
I like to keep my cars in top running shapes......If you want to run your vehicles to 9k or 20k miles......:rocks: DIY with Synthetic oil and Filters for my vehicles - Honda - $25 Lexus - $40 BMW - $45
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07-16-2007, 09:57 AM | #48 |
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As promised.
BMW E39 540i with valve cover off at 108,xxx miles. Had Synthetic oil changes every 7,500 miles according to the owner. His shit looks brand new and that's why I do my oil changes every 5000 miles. I like stuff to stay brand new. |
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07-16-2007, 10:24 AM | #49 |
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Thats how usual the engines of my cars looked like as well. It's very cheap to keep them in this condition: good oil and frequent changes. Behaving different is simply . I change oil every 6.500 miles and do 1 to 2 break-in oil changes.
BTW, it's the same with good gas. It contains additives to keep the engine clean ( as already mentioned somewhere ). You can save more money by eating a couple of burgers ( uups ) less. Last edited by e.n335; 07-16-2007 at 10:47 AM.. |
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07-16-2007, 12:53 PM | #51 |
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07-17-2007, 04:05 AM | #54 |
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The E90s actually have sensors to check the quality of the oil and adjusts the service indicator accordingly.
I have a hard time believing that BMW would approve the condition based service in their cars if a properly maintained car using synthetic would end up like that in the first post. I am sure BMW has done long term tests to see how the engine is like as well as the variance in quality of the oil over time with various oil change intervals. You may say BMW is doing this to save money on "Free Maintanance". But "Free Maintanance" is non-existent outside the Canada/USA but the cars still uses the same Condition Based Service indicators. So at the worse, maybe its not ideal to change exactly according to the condition based indictors but if you follow it, your engine should have adaquate protection. |
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07-17-2007, 04:39 AM | #55 |
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There is no such thing as "Free Maintanance" people have already paid for this maintanance when they bought their BMWs, the cost of these services is added to the price tag of the car. Here we can drop the "free maintanance" and save up to $3000 when buying a new BMW.
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07-17-2007, 04:40 AM | #56 | |
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07-17-2007, 05:14 AM | #57 | |
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Interval is the same in Europe and they DON'T get free oil changes, so unless BMW made that decision based ENTIRELY on the US Market (talk about being conceited) that is NOT the reason. BMW techs over here will tell you that you are babying the engine if you keep bringing it in for oil changes. |
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07-17-2007, 06:10 AM | #59 | |
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It's not all about the "break-down" of the oil, but removing what the oil picks up from your engine. Your first 2 oil changes are the most criticle. 2,ooo & 5,ooo and then every 7k after that is a good rule of thumb. You can do it yourself for about $50 bucks and let BMW do their gig around 14,ooo miles. |
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07-17-2007, 06:30 AM | #61 |
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well, that free maintanance is not an option in the US. Anyway, I wouldnt complain too much about the price of it. Here in EU we dont even have it included in the price and have a price 50% higher like U. IMO thats the real reason of lower market saturation of 335i's over here - it's past the psychological limit of most of the customers. Darn...
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07-17-2007, 08:03 AM | #62 |
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Okay, I'm not going to read this whole thread so maybe this has been mentioned.
I've seen this condition many many times on BMW engines. It is not from following the 15K service intervals. More than likely the crankcase ventilation system was not working for a lengthy period of time in the cars history causing the sludge buildup. That or the car was driven for short trips it's whole life or was severly overheated at one point. I've seen many many cars go over the 15K service intervals (20-25K miles between services) and the engine was not sludged up. I just recently did a valve cover gasket on a 00 528i that had 300K miles on it, and was serviced exactly by the recommended service intervals (I know because I did every service on the car). That engine was clean as a whistle, not a hint of sludge. Bottom line, something else happened to that engine that caused the sludge. As long as you follow the BMW recommended service intervals and mantain the car, you will not have any problems.
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Bottom line is not that something else happened to the engine in the first post. It is actually that no one knows for sure what caused the sludge in the first place... however, what we do know is if you change your oil every 7,500 miles rather than the BMW recommended 15,000 miles, you will have an engine that looks brand new inside at 100K+ miles. And by the way, I doubt that the crank case vent was blocked on the car in the original post as probably would have caused a gasket or seal to blow or other problems before the sludge... if the crank case breather got blocked, it was probably by a chunk of sludge. |
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