[xenon]

When I say "after overtaking" I surely included "not currently overtaking anything". You have the luxury of living miles from a motorway but if you travelled them daily you'd see the situation I describe as being all to common.

[Em135eye]

Originally Posted by xenon

When I say "after overtaking" I surely included "not currently overtaking anything". You have the luxury of living miles from a motorway but if you travelled them daily you'd see the situation I describe as being all to common.

580 miles, about 70% of which were on the M5 and M4 driven yesterday. My eyes now hurt; saw no major issues apart from being briefly tailgated by a goon in an S4 cab as I pulled onto the M5.

I'd rather someone took too long to pull back in than cut in right in front of another car like so many people seem to do.

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Would also be rather surprised to see a situation where the inside lane is clear, the outside lane is full of "nutters" doing 90+ and a goon is sat in the middle doing 50. Not a likely scenario.

That's quite an accurate description of the M3 every morning.

[Em135eye]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

That's quite an accurate description of the M3 every morning.

The M3 is the devils own highway.

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Have you ever heard of anyone getting convicted for either?

Yes I have heard of people getting done, But under the dangerous driving act. I can't really see what they are changing?!

[toxicnerve]

The whole point of these changes is that people won't be convicted right? It's just to slap you with an on the spot fine and nothing more.

If properly enforced for things like undertaking (proper undertaking not "slipping by quietly"), tailgating and generally driving like a cunt then this will be a good thing.

But will they do anything about the complete and utter cock around the corner from me who drives a fucking shed of a car with a straight through exhaust???

Now I am assuming it's straight through because the car runs like a dog (no back-pressure?) and he has to hang out the gears to get up to any decent speed. During the day this isn't a huge problem but the twunt has a regular journey that he carries out at various points of the evening/night everyday and he's starting to do my head in, particularly on the lift-off overrun!!

He also only has the rear numberplate on.

Will the 5-0 doing anything about this anti-social wanker? Doubt it...

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

That's quite an accurate description of the M3 every morning.

plus one

and the m25 and the m1...

althoi have to say....as i go "up north" on the m1, the northern drivers seem to move out of the way when they see me coming.... well done to the northerners! ....

but the m25 is full of c*cks who will just stay in the right hand lane at 65mph, just for the sake of it...

[NFS]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Great idea and the anti brigade here are just demonstrating that they are aggressive drivers.

I think you assume too much.

My problem with this proposal is that it allows the police to act as judge and jury.

I can grudgingly accept instant fines for speeding as it is an absolute offence (although I don't think we should have limits). But anti-social driving is not. It will require judgements to be made and I don't think that the average policeman is qualified to make those.

Any erosion of our personal freedoms should be challenged, especially when it increases the power of the police unnecessarily.

Mistakes will be made and innocent people will receive points from stupid or vindictive police officers.

Phillip Hammond is a complete cock - as evidenced by his comments regarding winter tyres.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

That is such a dangerous situation that all I'd do is sit behind Mr Middle Lane and flash lights from a safe distance.

People that hog the middle lane often aren't very aware - they are likely to drift out of their lane or move without signalling.

Anyone ignoring the "rules of the road" is being daft and should be treated as a complete goon who might do anything.

Only time I EVER undertake is in a traffic jam.

Mr Magoo isn't technically in the wrong - undertaking him IS.

No it isn't. You can legally overtake on the left when traffic in that lane is moving faster than in the other lanes. So long as you are within the speed limit of course.

All in the highway code.

[Billyray911]

It won't mean that anyone issued with a ticket won't have any further say in the matter.You will always have the option to have your case heard at a magistrates court-as is the case now...or accept and move on.
I think that the issuing of tickets are to try and alleviate the pressures on the cj system by way of court hearings.
I think that a small part of the thinking behind this new policy (apart from money making!) is the threat of a fixed penalty may also raise the standards of driving for the every day person.This may cut deaths or serious injuries on our roads-a good thing, obviously.
I do feel, however, that as the cuts to policing dig in,specialist departments such as the RPU will also suffer.
The knock on effect will be more disgruntled drivers being prosecuted when they think that ordinarily they would and should have been "educated" by a traffic officer-as happened in the good ol days!

Oh, and toxic-have you told the old bill about the pita driver so that they can do something about them?
Not saying that you are one of them, but forums are full of disgruntled people who think that the bib should be on their road,dealing with issues that they haven't bothered to report...

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by Billyray911

It won't mean that anyone issued with a ticket won't have any further say in the matter.You will always have the option to have your case heard at a magistrates court-as is the case now...or accept and move on.
I think that the issuing of tickets are to try and alleviate the pressures on the cj system by way of court hearings.
I think that a small part of the thinking behind this new policy (apart from money making!) is the threat of a fixed penalty may also raise the standards of driving for the every day person.This may cut deaths or serious injuries on our roads-a good thing, obviously.
I do feel, however, that as the cuts to policing dig in,specialist departments such as the RPU will also suffer.
The knock on effect will be more disgruntled drivers being prosecuted when they think that ordinarily they would and should have been "educated" by a traffic officer-as happened in the good ol days!

Oh, and toxic-have you told the old bill about the pita driver so that they can do something about them?
Not saying that you are one of them, but forums are full of disgruntled people who think that the bib should be on their road,dealing with issues that they haven't bothered to report...

I'm going to report the twunt as soon as i manage to get a note of his numberplate.

[Billyray911]

Originally Posted by NFS

No it isn't. You can legally overtake on the left when traffic in that lane is moving faster than in the other lanes. So long as you are within the speed limit of course.

All in the highway code.

That isn't strictly true.You can only undertake if you are in congested ,slow moving traffic and all adjacent lanes are moving at similar speeds.
To keep up with the traffic in your lane,you may undertake,to assist the flow.
ie all lanes are moving at say,15mph and on occasion,your lane is flowing more than the adjacent lanes.
It doesn't mean speeding on the inside lane at 50-60mph to undercut slower traffic travelling at 40mph in the outside lanes.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Billyray911

It won't mean that anyone issued with a ticket won't have any further say in the matter.You will always have the option to have your case heard at a magistrates court-as is the case now...or accept and move on.

Agreed, but as has been the case with speeding I fear that a fixed penalty system will be designed to dissuade drivers from challenging the police officer version of events in court. (ie 6 points instead of 3). I have a healthy distrust of authority!

Originally Posted by Billyray911

That isn't strictly true.You can only undertake if you are in congested ,slow moving traffic and all adjacent lanes are moving at similar speeds.
To keep up with the traffic in your lane,you may undertake,to assist the flow.
ie all lanes are moving at say,15mph and on occasion,your lane is flowing more than the adjacent lanes.
It doesn't mean speeding on the inside lane at 50-60mph to undercut slower traffic travelling at 40mph in the outside lanes.

This is what the highway code says:

Originally Posted by Highway Code

Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

So long as the speed differential between lanes is low, they can be flowing at any speed (below the limit).

If conditions are congested, you are in the inside lane and someone is hogging the middle lane at 50mph, it is perfectly legal to remain in the inside lane and pass them. This allows all three lanes to be used, whereas if you pulled into the outside lane and waited to pass you would cause traffic to stackup, reducing the capacity of the motorway.

[Billyray911]

I think that it is how the word 'congested' is interpreted.
That is why you should always have the right to have your day out in court!

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by NFS

Phillip Hammond is a complete cock - as evidenced by his comments regarding winter tyres.

Slight off topic - I missed this, what did he say about winter tyres?

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Billyray911

I think that it is how the word 'congested' is interpreted.
That is why you should always have the right to have your day out in court!

No-one should be in the outer lanes unless they are overtaking. So if it is possible to remain in the inside lane and pass them, without exceeding the speed limit, then it must be congested.

Originally Posted by ///ajd

Slight off topic - I missed this, what did he say about winter tyres?

An MP asked if the Goverment should be doing more to promote or encourage the use of winter tyres. His answer was that winter tyres caused terrible damage to road surfaces and were only suitable for countries with long periods of sub zero weather.

Clearly he had no knowledge of the subject and thought winter tyres were all 'studded'. Instead of taking the question seriously, he tried to blag a response and made himself look like a complete cock.

[Em135eye]

So we're all a better judge of everyone's driving than the Police? That's the crux of the issue - everyone thinks they're right and that everyone else is wrong.

Tailgating is for muppets and should be punished.
Overtaking on the inside IS okay on slow moving traffic as stated above but too often it's some impatient and aggressive tool being dangerous.

I can tell from some of the posts here that there are a fair few aggressive drivers here - the sort that are never wrong and give BMWs a bad name.

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

I can tell from some of the posts here that there are a fair few aggressive drivers here - the sort that are never wrong and give BMWs a bad name.

Matt, u need to drive in London a bit more...and you'll understand!...bet u'll turn into a BMW c*ck too....

[Em135eye]

Originally Posted by zltm089

Matt, u need to drive in London a bit more...and you'll understand!...bet u'll turn into a BMW c*ck too....

I lived there for over a year and still go there quite regularly...

I just try not to blame everyone else for anything that goes wrong. Anticipate and drive defensively. That is all.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

So we're all a better judge of everyone's driving than the Police?

The Police are often wrong. Thats why we have trial by jury.

[Billyray911]

Originally Posted by NFS

The Police are often wrong. Thats why we have trial by jury.

Unfortunately,our peers can be just as flawed.
There is no perfect system as you are dealing with human frailty despite both training and in the case of juries,supposed impartiality.
That's the system we have!

[urfankhaliq]

the 5-0 are a set of bell ends.