Recommendations for harder tyres?

parapaul · 05-31-2012, 08:25 PM

You're right, but... in the interests of a lively discussion

What's going to be the difference in braking distance between my Kumho tyres with a soft, grippy compound and your Pirelli Eco tyres with hard rubber?

A_P · 06-01-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by parapaul

You're right, but... in the interests of a lively discussion

What's going to be the difference in braking distance between my Kumho tyres with a soft, grippy compound and your Pirelli Eco tyres with hard rubber?

I dont think there would be a conclusive test available as Steves car will have a smaller crossection tyre and will no doubt have less mass to stop due to car being lighter....... Unless of course he weighs half a ton

A_P · 06-01-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Triggster

Mt uncle who recently moved back from Canada bought a VW Passat, the tyres he said only lasted 18k miles and he was disappointed with that as they last about 80-100km in Canada. So when he went to look for new tyres he asked for 'TREADWEAR' on the sidewall which should be followed by a number. It should also say traction and something else below it. (Everyone he spoke wasn't even aware of this, even a guy who said he worked in tyres for 10 years.)

My tyres are 340, real soft compounds are supposedly 290 but harder tyres can go up to 600+. He ended up going for Kuhmo all seasons as he had them before and they have a rating of 540 IIRC.

Real soft 290? My rears are rated 60 AA

Triggster · 06-01-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Awfully_Polite

Real soft 290? My rears are rated 60 AA

Maybe they don't make them that grippy in Canada, they pretty much drive in straight lines anyway.

A_P · 06-02-2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Triggster

Maybe they don't make them that grippy in Canada, they pretty much drive in straight lines anyway.

They would be crap in the winter lol. Isnt there like an underground city that people use when there are snowed in? ( In Toronto I think). Insane place, I was watching a news reporter a few years ago, and to demonstrate how cold it was, he brought a coffee in the cafe walk outside mentioned the temparature spoke for a lil bit and tipped his cup upside down and the drink was frozen solid.

Ridiculous!!!

HighlandPete · 06-02-2012, 03:55 AM

I smile when we get into tyre discussions.

We have the US and Canada with warranted 'tire' mileage, from 40,000 up to 80,000 miles (even 100,000). Common use of All Season tyres which are typically a compromised tyre anyway. Not sure tyre performance really has much to do with driving it would appear.

Then over here, at the other extreme, we change from the OEM run-flat and we read words of doom, even from the motoring press. We will 'possibly' have an extra couple of metres stopping distance and kill ourselves and others.

I totally agree the contact patch is our link to the road, and safety, often not considered enough. But there is such a wide spectrum of use, I do wonder how much focus there really is on grip levels and braking distances from the average user, driving speeds up to about 70 - 80mph.

I often scan cars for what tyres are fitted (when crossing car parks), and I'm surprised how many decent cars, even high performance models, run tyres with names I've never heard of, let alone know what sort of performance they have. For many, I get the feeling if it is black and round, has 'legal' tread, it is good enough.

HighlandPete

A_P · 06-02-2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I often scan cars for what tyres are fitted (when crossing car parks), and I'm surprised how many decent cars, even high performance models, run tyres with names I've never heard of, let alone know what sort of performance they have. For many, I get the feeling if it is black and round, has 'legal' tread, it is good enough.

HighlandPete

I do that too, but then again I am a bit sad really. whats your excuse?

Hotcoupe · 06-02-2012, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I often scan cars for what tyres are fitted (when crossing car parks), and I'm surprised how many decent cars, even high performance models, run tyres with names I've never heard of, let alone know what sort of performance they have. For many, I get the feeling if it is black and round, has 'legal' tread, it is good enough.

HighlandPete

You clearly get out enough Pete,but your knees must be well f*cked by now.
How do you explain all the pairs of trousers with excessive wear around the knee area to the wife?
Or do you have the trousers tailor made with knee pads in them?

zltm089 · 06-02-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Awfully_Polite

I do that too, but then again I am a bit sad really. whats your excuse?

HAHHAA...damn, i though i was weird!!!!!....

i do that too!!!...especially when i see sports cars...i always check what tyres they run on!!!!!....

and the sizes aswelll....

parapaul · 06-02-2012, 07:26 AM

Me too... or three? Amazing the number of high end cars that are only a few years old, running on LingLong or Wanli or other such high performance brand tyres!

HighlandPete · 06-02-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Awfully_Polite

I do that too, but then again I am a bit sad really. whats your excuse?

All in the name of research.

HighlandPete

Hotcoupe · 06-02-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zltm089

HAHHAA...damn, i thought i was weird!!!!!....

Just thought Kev,everyone else knows

A_P · 06-02-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

Just thought Kev,everyone else knows

Haha Ian, shouldn't you be busy making the lacey cabin vid? Seriously im waiting for this more than Prometheus.

Also your avatar pic has been making me laugh since morning.

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HighlandPete Lieutenant General 6659 Rep 15,858 Posts Drives: BMW F11 535i Touring Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland, Highland Region iTrader: (0)	I smile when we get into tyre discussions. We have the US and Canada with warranted 'tire' mileage, from 40,000 up to 80,000 miles (even 100,000). Common use of All Season tyres which are typically a compromised tyre anyway. Not sure tyre performance really has much to do with driving it would appear. Then over here, at the other extreme, we change from the OEM run-flat and we read words of doom, even from the motoring press. We will 'possibly' have an extra couple of metres stopping distance and kill ourselves and others. I totally agree the contact patch is our link to the road, and safety, often not considered enough. But there is such a wide spectrum of use, I do wonder how much focus there really is on grip levels and braking distances from the average user, driving speeds up to about 70 - 80mph. I often scan cars for what tyres are fitted (when crossing car parks), and I'm surprised how many decent cars, even high performance models, run tyres with names I've never heard of, let alone know what sort of performance they have. For many, I get the feeling if it is black and round, has 'legal' tread, it is good enough. HighlandPete
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