[cybertec69]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Real-world test numbers (not BMW's underrated numbers) show the 335i at ~ 320+BHP and ~ 340 lb.-ft TQ and it runs 4.8 sec. 0-60mph and 13.4-13.6 @ 105mph 1/4 mi. Then, add the PRocede to the 335i, and you kill a stock S5 (unless Audi severely underrates it as well, but that's doubtful). The S5 does look great and seems like a promising car, but early reports say it will likely be as expensive (or possibly more) as the '08 M3. I'd rather have a PROcede 335i or the M3, imho.

looks like you stoped taking your medicine, the 335i with 320HP and 340lb.-ft TQ "stock", yea right.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by cybertec69

looks like you stoped taking your medicine, the 335i with 320HP and 240lb.-ft TQ "stock", yea right.

I guess you haven't done much research on this. Check out the following...

So many articles, reviews, and real-world 335i drivers get the same numbers over and over, and it's a well discussed and accepted conclusion that BMW underrated the 335i (300BHP/300 lb.-ft. TQ), most likely b/c of the new , upcoming '08 M3 not coming out until later this year or early next year; therefore, the 335i is currently selling along side the E46M3 with 333HP until the '08 M3 arrives, and of course BMW wants to sell the remaining M3's sitting on the dealer lots.

Check these out, specifically Automobile Mag's 2 articles (and dynos) on the stock 335i, BusinessWeek.com, Edmunds.com's reviews of the stock 335i, and of course C&D...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hp?t=74&page=3

From the BusinessWeek.com article...

"For starters, this new BMW coupe is significantly faster than BMW rates it. The company says the 335i will accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds with an automatic transmission and 5.3 seconds with a stick shift. Don't believe it. I easily got my test 335i with an automatic to do the trick several times in under 5 seconds. My fastest time was a blazing 4.8 seconds. That's four ticks faster than my best time in the Lexus IS 350 and two ticks faster than my best time in a Chevy Corvette with an automatic transmission (see BusinessWeek.com, 7/6/06, "The No-Sweat 'Vette")."

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...tm?chan=search

From the Edmunds.com article...

"Consider the facts: This 2007 BMW 335i test car blazed from zero to 60 in 4.8 seconds. BMW says the new coupe mit twin-turbo engine and Steptronic six-speed autobox should make that trip in 5.5 seconds. Seven-tenths of a second quicker? That's 13-percent better than BMW's claim. Folks give aftermarket tuners wads of cash for that kind of performance bump, especially when a car starts out in the mid 5s to begin with.

Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4, too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...otopanel..1.0*

From the 2nd Automobile Mag article (dyno)...

"We strapped the 335i down, started it up, and did three runs back to back to back. The results were very consistent, showing peaks of 285 hp, then 282 hp, and, finally, 287 hp. This 335i was even stronger at the top end than the last one, but not as strong in the midrange. Peak torque was stable through all three runs at about 285 lb-ft.

After the final run, we decided to grab audio of the 335i running from first gear through fourth. We expected to have the hairs on the back of our neck stand up at the sound of the 3.0-liter engine at full throat, but what we didn’t expect, of course, was a peak hp number nudging the 300-hp mark. That’s right--shortly after the shift into fourth, this second 335i peaked briefly at 299.93 hp.

Looking closely at the chart, there’s a likely explanation for that outrageous number. No, it wasn’t additional torque from a rough shift--the peak occurred too long after the gear change. Like most turbocharged cars, the computer allows a momentary spike of boost before stabilizing it at a prescribed level. We lucked out, as that spike happened right at the engine’s inherent power peak, so we got a little nudge in the final number. Whether the dyno numbers ultimately translate into 300 hp, 350 hp, or 327.543-to-the-fifth-power-hp, the results speak for themselves: this is one very powerful engine."

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...sed/index.html

From the C&D article...

2007 BMW 335i - Road Tests
Beauty and the Boost.
BY TONY SWAN, October 2006

-SERIES COUPE
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear- or 4-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe
Base price: $35,995-$41,295
Engines: DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 230 hp, 200 lb-ft; twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 300 hp, 300 lb-ft

Transmissions: 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting, 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length/width/height: 180.3/70.2/54.1-54.2 in
Curb weight: 3400-3600 lb
C/D test results (335i):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 144 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
Projected fuel economy (C/D est):
EPA city driving: 20-21 mpg
EPA highway driving: 29-30 mpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-bmw-335i.html

BTW -- my car with PROcede dyno'd at 322WHP (~ 380BHP) and 378 lb.-ft. RWTQ (~ 445 lb.-ft. TQ) and does 0-60mph in 4.50 sec. and the 1/4 mi. in < 13 sec. at ~ 108+mph!

[cybertec69]

Originally Posted by sflgator

I guess you haven't done much research on this. Check out the following...

So many articles, reviews, and real-world 335i drivers get the same numbers over and over, and it's a well discussed and accepted conclusion that BMW underrated the 335i (300BHP/300 lb.-ft. TQ), most likely b/c of the new , upcoming '08 M3 not coming out until later this year or early next year; therefore, the 335i is currently selling along side the E46M3 with 333HP until the '08 M3 arrives, and of course BMW wants to sell the remaining M3's sitting on the dealer lots.

Check these out, specifically Automobile Mag's 2 articles (and dynos) on the stock 335i, BusinessWeek.com, Edmunds.com's reviews of the stock 335i, and of course C&D...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hp?t=74&page=3

From the BusinessWeek.com article...

"For starters, this new BMW coupe is significantly faster than BMW rates it. The company says the 335i will accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds with an automatic transmission and 5.3 seconds with a stick shift. Don't believe it. I easily got my test 335i with an automatic to do the trick several times in under 5 seconds. My fastest time was a blazing 4.8 seconds. That's four ticks faster than my best time in the Lexus IS 350 and two ticks faster than my best time in a Chevy Corvette with an automatic transmission (see BusinessWeek.com, 7/6/06, "The No-Sweat 'Vette")."

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...tm?chan=search

From the Edmunds.com article...

"Consider the facts: This 2007 BMW 335i test car blazed from zero to 60 in 4.8 seconds. BMW says the new coupe mit twin-turbo engine and Steptronic six-speed autobox should make that trip in 5.5 seconds. Seven-tenths of a second quicker? That's 13-percent better than BMW's claim. Folks give aftermarket tuners wads of cash for that kind of performance bump, especially when a car starts out in the mid 5s to begin with.

Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4, too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...otopanel..1.0*

From the 2nd Automobile Mag article (dyno)...

"We strapped the 335i down, started it up, and did three runs back to back to back. The results were very consistent, showing peaks of 285 hp, then 282 hp, and, finally, 287 hp. This 335i was even stronger at the top end than the last one, but not as strong in the midrange. Peak torque was stable through all three runs at about 285 lb-ft.

After the final run, we decided to grab audio of the 335i running from first gear through fourth. We expected to have the hairs on the back of our neck stand up at the sound of the 3.0-liter engine at full throat, but what we didn’t expect, of course, was a peak hp number nudging the 300-hp mark. That’s right--shortly after the shift into fourth, this second 335i peaked briefly at 299.93 hp.

Looking closely at the chart, there’s a likely explanation for that outrageous number. No, it wasn’t additional torque from a rough shift--the peak occurred too long after the gear change. Like most turbocharged cars, the computer allows a momentary spike of boost before stabilizing it at a prescribed level. We lucked out, as that spike happened right at the engine’s inherent power peak, so we got a little nudge in the final number. Whether the dyno numbers ultimately translate into 300 hp, 350 hp, or 327.543-to-the-fifth-power-hp, the results speak for themselves: this is one very powerful engine."

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...sed/index.html

From the C&D article...

2007 BMW 335i - Road Tests
Beauty and the Boost.
BY TONY SWAN, October 2006

-SERIES COUPE
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear- or 4-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe
Base price: $35,995-$41,295
Engines: DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 230 hp, 200 lb-ft; twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 300 hp, 300 lb-ft

Transmissions: 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting, 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length/width/height: 180.3/70.2/54.1-54.2 in
Curb weight: 3400-3600 lb
C/D test results (335i):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 144 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
Projected fuel economy (C/D est):
EPA city driving: 20-21 mpg
EPA highway driving: 29-30 mpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-bmw-335i.html

BTW -- my car with PROcede dyno'd at 322WHP (~ 380BHP) and 378 lb.-ft. RWTQ (~ 445 lb.-ft. TQ) and does 0-60mph in 4.50 sec. and the 1/4 mi. in < 13 sec. at ~ 108+mph!

so how much where they payed

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by cybertec69

so how much where they payed

So, we're back to the ..."they're ALL paid off bit?" Your argument could hold some water if it were just 1 magazine (and if the numbers couldn't be duplicated), but pretty much ALL of them got the the same numbers (even ones like Edmunds.coom and BusinessWeek.com). So, yeah, yeah, it's all a conspiracy; just go back to that little rock from which you crawled out from and keep your head up your as$. I can understand being a little skeptical, but seriously, come on.

BTW -- don't you think many of us who have the PRocede got our cars dyno'd before and after? These dynos also confirm the car mag tests and just how much more HP/TQ the 335i has (and how much BMW underrated it) in stock form.

[AW335TT]

Not a fan of the rear. The tires look way to small for the car. Looks a little weird IMO.

[renasis]

man, i love the seats, why cant they have them 2 years earlier, damnit

[Greeney]

The car is a beauty indeed.

[Johnny Lin]

Look really really nice!