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      04-11-2007, 11:09 AM   #23
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Nice run... congrats. Its funny how everyone wnats a time slip and when they get it they then complain about the track.
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We're not complaining about the track, pointing out facts that have been pointed out many times before on numerous automotive forums!
Plus any seasoned drag racer knows the fact ATCO is super fast anyway.

I'd bet a stock 335i auto would pull a 13.1 @ 106-107 mph there.


We all have the same car, but by NOT pointing out to those who don't know ATCO runs super fast, would be like not pointing out to someone that one kind of dyno reads much higher than another kind.
It's great to see fast times, but anybody with a PROceded 335i could pull 12.7's @ 109 there.
As I said before in other posts, I think the only place a PROcede ONLY auto 335i could trap at 110+ would be ATCO.
I still expect to see that too (and maybe even Englishtown) but not really at any other track.
It's all relative!
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We're not complaining about the track, pointing out facts that have been pointed out many times before on numerous automotive forums!
Plus any seasoned drag racer knows the fact ATCO is super fast anyway.

I'd bet a stock 335i auto would pull a 13.1 @ 106-107 mph there.


We all have the same car, but by NOT pointing out to those who don't know ATCO runs super fast, would be like not pointing out to someone that one kind of dyno reads much higher than another kind.
It's great to see fast times, but anybody with a PROceded 335i could pull 12.7's @ 109 there.
As I said before in other posts, I think the only place a PROcede ONLY auto 335i could trap at 110+ would be ATCO.
I still expect to see that too (and maybe even Englishtown) but not really at any other track.
It's all relative!
Texas has a few quick tracks too.
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THANKS GUYS!!!!!!

i kinda sucks that i was only able to get one run in but........
with my big meat head (265lbs) out of the car a some light weight itll definatly go faster. this run was done on stock runcraps and stock exhaust!!
ill have my new buddie buy shivs exhaust and then toss in 100 octance tune along with 17" MT DR and then watch out!

i will call buddie to see if he can go to englishtown thursday night....
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      04-11-2007, 11:56 AM   #27
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Gee what was in lane 1 that barely got to 80 in a 1/4 mile and in 17 secs. My 2.2 Liter Subaru legacy can do better than that...
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We're not complaining about the track, pointing out facts that have been pointed out many times before on numerous automotive forums!
Plus any seasoned drag racer knows the fact ATCO is super fast anyway.

I'd bet a stock 335i auto would pull a 13.1 @ 106-107 mph there.


We all have the same car, but by NOT pointing out to those who don't know ATCO runs super fast, would be like not pointing out to someone that one kind of dyno reads much higher than another kind.
It's great to see fast times, but anybody with a PROceded 335i could pull 12.7's @ 109 there.
As I said before in other posts, I think the only place a PROcede ONLY auto 335i could trap at 110+ would be ATCO.
I still expect to see that too (and maybe even Englishtown) but not really at any other track.
It's all relative!





13.1 at atco on stock @ 106 107???????

WRONG!
i was there on my rental on 3/27 and best was 13.3X @ 104
and that was my best by far and that wasnt even me driving.....180lb driver
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Did you activate DTC or disable everything?
yes disabled everything....if i was able to make more runs i would have tested other options but:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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13.1 at atco on stock @ 106 107???????

WRONG!
i was there on my rental on 3/27 and best was 13.3X @ 104
and that was my best by far and that wasnt even me driving.....180lb driver
If Atco is the fastest, then what about one who is not far off those numbers at Englishtown... see this: Put my 335i throught the 1/4 mile....very happy!!

And last weekend I ran 13.633 at 103.23 mph with 2400 ft elevation on 91 octane Shell. See this: 1/4 mile stock E92

I think that with a few more runs, I might be able to shave off 2/10ths or even 3/10ths off that time. And I have never heard of Firebird Raceway (an NHRA track) in Eagle, Idaho as being a fast track.

For anybody who would know: How might 93 octane E10 do for me? Would I run faster or slower?
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13.1 at atco on stock @ 106 107???????

WRONG!
i was there on my rental on 3/27 and best was 13.3X @ 104
and that was my best by far and that wasnt even me driving.....180lb driver
Key word, "rental"
Probably beat to crap and probably on 87 Octane as I don't know too many people who rent cars or are given loaners who put premium in the rentals.

If you don't think ATCO is a FAST track, you need to visit some other tracks.
ATCO without a doubt is one of the (if not THE) fastest track in the country.

Again, the fact you are 265 pounds, didn't launch the car that hard, were on stock run flats and still pulled a 12.7 @ 109 in a PROceded only 335i complete testament to that.
Don't get me wrong, those are good numbers, but probably average for that track and our cars on a PROcede.
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I ran a 13.4 @103 with a 2.06 60foot at Englishtown last week with 36psi in the tires, no burnout, not powershifting, and spining 1st a little and wheel hoping in 2nd.
my worst time of the night was also my fastest MPH at 106. this was due to shifting right at redline and more wheelspin than anyone would want.lol so not good for the ET, but impressive mph none the less.
i was VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY pleased with my 335i sedan.


Edit: oh, I see scottwww already brought up my post.lol thanks!

I'll also testify to ATCO's times, i owned a modified mustang before my 335 and my ETs were stuck in 13.5s at E-town, for maybe 3 or 4 trips out there, i never got it to get out of the .5s. my first run at Atco with it was a 13.3 and a best ever ET with that car also at Atco of 13.1 @104mph
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If Atco is the fastest, then what about one who is not far off those numbers at Englishtown... see this: Put my 335i throught the 1/4 mile....very happy!!

And last weekend I ran 13.633 at 103.23 mph with 2400 ft elevation on 91 octane Shell. See this: 1/4 mile stock E92

I think that with a few more runs, I might be able to shave off 2/10ths or even 3/10ths off that time. And I have never heard of Firebird Raceway (an NHRA track) in Eagle, Idaho as being a fast track.

For anybody who would know: How might 93 octane E10 do for me? Would I run faster or slower?

Read earlier posts and check out dragtimes.
Clearly state that Englishtown is nearly as fast as ATCO and also one of the fastest tracks in the country.
btw, 13.4-13.6 @ 104-106 is "normal" for a stock 335i

Both have DA's that are BELOW sea level.
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Key word, "rental"
Probably beat to crap and probably on 87 Octane as I don't know too many people who rent cars or are given loaners who put premium in the rentals.

If you don't think ATCO is a FAST track, you need to visit some other tracks.
ATCO without a doubt is one of the (if not THE) fastest track in the country.

Again, the fact you are 265 pounds, didn't launch the car that hard, were on stock run flats and still pulled a 12.7 @ 109 in a PROceded only 335i complete testament to that.
Don't get me wrong, those are good numbers, but probably average for that track and our cars on a PROcede.
hahahahahahehehehehehehahahahahehehehehe.........


u misunderstood rental.......i rented the track.....all day long
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Read earlier posts and check out dragtimes.
Clearly state that Englishtown is nearly as fast as ATCO and also one of the fastest tracks in the country.
btw, 13.4-13.6 @ 104-106 is "normal" for a stock 335i

Both have DA's that are BELOW sea level.
If 13.4-13.6 @ 104-106 is "normal" then is my 60' time of 2.084, 13.633 ET at 103.23 mph from a 2400 ft elevation, 91 octane, stock runflats... is that a fast run? If I could get my ET down to 13.4 on my stock setup I would be very happy. Would that be a great time compared to similar ETs at Atco? What would that mean should be a good time at Atco?

I am not an experienced racer. I have only run on a drag strip two days ever for a total of six passes.

With more practice I am certain I could get a better 60' time, quicker ET, and perhaps a better trap speed.

I would still like to know whether I should run 93 octane E10 rather than Shell 91 octane on my next time out. Perhaps somebody who has drag racing experience with these gasoline grades or their equivalents could answer that?

The implication was that the OP should be able to do much better if he were to race the same car on the same strip again.

Maybe more of us thousands of 335i drivers should go to the drags, then post up our times on e90post.com and dragtimes.com. Let's see what good numbers these puppies can really do.
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If 13.4-13.6 @ 104-106 is "normal" then is my 60' time of 2.084, 13.633 ET at 103.23 mph from a 2400 ft elevation, 91 octane, stock runflats... is that a fast run? If I could get my ET down to 13.4 on my stock setup I would be very happy. Would that be a great time compared to similar ETs at Atco? What would that mean should be a good time at Atco?

I am not an experienced racer. I have only run on a drag strip two days ever for a total of six passes.

With more practice I am certain I could get a better 60' time, quicker ET, and perhaps a better trap speed.

I would still like to know whether I should run 93 octane E10 rather than Shell 91 octane on my next time out. Perhaps somebody who has drag racing experience with these gasoline grades or their equivalents could answer that?

The implication was that the OP should be able to do much better if he were to race the same car on the same strip again.

Maybe more of us thousands of 335i drivers should go to the drags, then post up our times on e90post.com and dragtimes.com. Let's see what good numbers these puppies can really do.

Well Scott, I am an experienced drag racer.
I would say your time of 13.63 @ 103.3 at 2400 foot elevation is excellent for your experience.
Corrected for elevation that would be roughly a 13.25 @ 106.3

Again, Englishtown is also a fast track, so these would be very repeatable times, but very good nonetheless.

Again, at ATCO which has an effective altitude of BELOW sea level most of the time, you would of seen the 13.1's @ 106-107 I was speaking of in the earlier post.

BTW, a 2.084 is also quite good for the stock runflats.
I wouldn't expect much better than that, again maybe at ATCO and a few other "fast" tracks, but well done!!


As for using 93 Octane, you could do that. The stock ECU will adjust up and give you a bit more power.
I recently tested that theory on Kujo's 335i on a dyno.
Dropping in a couple gallons 100 octane to make 93 Octane on his stock ECU gave the car an additional 3 HP and 3 TQ, in a matter of minutes of running the car. It probably adapted a bit further after he drove it a bit too.
So, even the STOCK ECU in our cars will probably give 3-5 additional HP and TQ when using 93 Octane instead of 91 Octane.
But without ECU Tuning (like the PROcede) using anything higher (like race gas) is probably just wasting your money!

Good luck and have more fun.
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yes i see it all the time from working on them as well as my personal car. all bmw DME's know exactly the fuel octane and adjust timing, fuel delivery, and air intake to it, so with high octane the engine will perform slightly better at the track,but nothing overwhelming, i doubt it would even make a difference on the time slip.
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Is the altitiude alone at ATCO the sole reason it is such a fast track? What other reason(s) make it so fast? What are the tracks in TX considered tio be fast?
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nice, but im really waiting for the day i see someone do 12.5 or better
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Is the altitiude alone at ATCO the sole reason it is such a fast track? What other reason(s) make it so fast? What are the tracks in TX considered tio be fast?
this is a big reason, but also it is in the way they prep the track. last time i went there i was in the lane helping a friend stage and take pictures for him, the track was so sticky one of my shoes came off walking across the lane.
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Didn't catch this post a few days ago. Great pass Max boost! Post it up on Drag times.

This about equals the AA 335i, but without DRrs or exhaust.

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