Evolve Tune, Eco improvement?

yatzee · 04-28-2014, 09:08 AM

Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

Thanks

mkPOTO · 04-28-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yatzee

Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

Thanks

contact them directly, there are only a handful of guys running the tune here. You will get more info from either posting in the UK section or asking them directly as they work on more 335Ds out there

yatzee · 04-28-2014, 10:20 AM

I will eventually contact them, but I'm not interested in them trying to sell me their product - was hoping for someone who's actually been putting miles on a 335d with that tune.

If it's not as advertised, i'd rather find out prior to spending the $500 - this is where having a diesel sub-fourm will help

mkPOTO · 04-28-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yatzee

I will eventually contact them, but I'm not interested in them trying to sell me their product - was hoping for someone who's actually been putting miles on a 335d with that tune.

If it's not as advertised, i'd rather find out prior to spending the $500 - this is where having a diesel sub-fourm will help

andre from chicago should be able to help you. Look up VS Motorsports and 335d tune, he was one of the first ones to get it done. So ask him

Puerto Rican 335d · 04-28-2014, 10:27 AM

TDi is the man to contact

TDIwyse · 04-28-2014, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yatzee

Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

Thanks

I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...

kimbersc · 04-29-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TDIwyse

I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...

Care to give the pro/cons of each? Or post up a link if you've already done so? Greatly appreciated.

Mark M · 04-30-2014, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TDIwyse

I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...

If I understood right, you are saying stock was the lowest mpg recorded and Ecotune has been the best recorded mpg on your testing? Question, I recall you're also running methanol which improves mpg, how do you keep your comparisons apples to apples?

yatzee · 04-30-2014, 09:00 AM

thanks for this input guys - keep it coming - still hoping someone with an economy based tune will come forward - either Evolve or Vac

Puerto Rican 335d · 04-30-2014, 09:02 AM

Mark M I can attest what TDi states. I have RENNtech flash, my cars overall mpg has improved specially HWY miles I can at 70 mph and A/C on get around 40-42 mpg's but its hard here on the island to keep that since so many cars around. Plus i have a LEAD foot. either you get JB, Ecotune, Evolve or Renntech or whomever car will perform better

335dFan · 04-30-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yatzee

thanks for this input guys - keep it coming - still hoping someone with an economy based tune will come forward - either Evolve or Vac

Well, I have had a lot of work done at VAC, so I am aware of their module. I bought the JBD instead, because theirs was a bit more and I didn't know anyone else who had one. However, this is what I remember:

1. It can be set (by them if I recall) for either performance or economy.
2. Supposedly you don't get limp modes with their module.

I think their device is still on their website store under something like "diesel module"

TDIwyse · 04-30-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark M

If I understood right, you are saying stock was the lowest mpg recorded and Ecotune has been the best recorded mpg on your testing? Question, I recall you're also running methanol which improves mpg, how do you keep your comparisons apples to apples?

The way my H2O/methanol injection works, it only comes on if 2 conditions are satisfied: >~20psi and >~3100 rpm, and then the injection amount increases with rpm up to 4500 rpm. The long road trips the mileage comparisons are based on do not enter that operating region where I use H2O/methanol. So it is apples to apples.

The main reason the Ecotune is measuring better than Evolve is no regens are occurring which drags overall fuel economy down ~1-2 mpgs on average from what I've observed (for example, long road trip where the mpg's are creeping up and up and then ... regen for ~10-11 mins of <30 mpg's drags the avg down from, say 41 to 38, and then the mpg's start trying to go back up after the regen finishes ...).

Puerto Rican 335d · 05-01-2014, 10:21 AM

TDi did you do the meth using the the Urea tank or was it someone else doing it this way

335dFan · 05-01-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

TDi did you do the meth using the the Urea tank or was it someone else doing it this way

PR, I think that was Former Rotor's plan.

Puerto Rican 335d · 05-01-2014, 11:33 AM

oh ok thanks

TDIwyse · 05-01-2014, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 335dFan

PR, I think that was Former Rotor's plan.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=10

Been busy with the LSD and DPF stuff. Hoping to finish the last step sometime ...

335dFan · 05-01-2014, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TDIwyse

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=10

Been busy with the LSD and DPF stuff. Hoping to finish the last step sometime ...

So it was you and not Former Rotor. Memory is one of the several things that go first.

yatzee · 05-02-2014, 07:06 PM

Maybe i'll start deleting items at some point, but in the meantime, still looking to improve economy. City just KILLS a tank...

Puerto Rican 335d · 05-03-2014, 07:41 AM

Yatzee im in the same predicament here in PR. I get to go out and play on the weekends when I go to the rst of the island where I can get better mpgs

SennavProst · 05-03-2014, 10:30 AM

Buying either tune to save money on fuel is a poor argument.

Check out Carmax's savings calculator. Let's say you get 5mpg improvement, which is quite generous, which bumps you up from say 32mpg to 37mpg, over 15k miles a year, that's only saving about $250 a year, BEST case scenario.

http://www.carmax.com/enus/mpg-savin...r/default.html

People get these tunes for the added power, not fuel economy. Power comes at a price, fuel.

geko29 · 05-03-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mkPOTO

andre from chicago should be able to help you. Look up VS Motorsports and 335d tune, he was one of the first ones to get it done. So ask him

VS motorsports is out of business as of early 2013. I wanted to get an Evolve tune from them last summer, but wound up with a JBD after finding out they were gone.

335dFan · 05-03-2014, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by geko29

VS motorsports is out of business as of early 2013. I wanted to get an Evolve tune from them last summer, but wound up with a JBD after finding out they were gone.

The agency to handle Evolve tunes in the USA now seems to be the following:

Mach V Motorsports
45690 Elmwood Ct. #170
Sterling, VA* 20166
(571) 434-8333

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yatzee Retired TDI guy 4 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2009 335D Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Montreal iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [0.00]	Evolve Tune, Eco improvement? Hi guys, 2009 335d, running a JBD for now. Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product. Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me.... Thanks __________________ 2009 335d - JDB - MS-8
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yatzee Retired TDI guy 4 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2009 335D Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Montreal iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [0.00]	thanks for this input guys - keep it coming - still hoping someone with an economy based tune will come forward - either Evolve or Vac __________________ 2009 335d - JDB - MS-8
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Mark M I can attest what TDi states. I have RENNtech flash, my cars overall mpg has improved specially HWY miles I can at 70 mph and A/C on get around 40-42 mpg's but its hard here on the island to keep that since so many cars around. Plus i have a LEAD foot. either you get JB, Ecotune, Evolve or Renntech or whomever car will perform better __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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yatzee Retired TDI guy 4 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2009 335D Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Montreal iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [0.00]	Maybe i'll start deleting items at some point, but in the meantime, still looking to improve economy. City just KILLS a tank... __________________ 2009 335d - JDB - MS-8
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SennavProst New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: '11 335D Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	Buying either tune to save money on fuel is a poor argument. Check out Carmax's savings calculator. Let's say you get 5mpg improvement, which is quite generous, which bumps you up from say 32mpg to 37mpg, over 15k miles a year, that's only saving about $250 a year, BEST case scenario. http://www.carmax.com/enus/mpg-savin...r/default.html People get these tunes for the added power, not fuel economy. Power comes at a price, fuel.
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