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Ign. Correction datalog example! If this doesn't convice you, not sure what will!
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07-27-2009, 06:24 PM | #25 |
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07-27-2009, 06:28 PM | #27 |
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07-27-2009, 07:55 PM | #31 | |
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Personally, I would like to get a better understanding and get to the bottom of this. The logs I have captured have suggested CPS offsetting is not learned out. In addition, the programming in me as well as knowledge on Siemens programmable controllers would suggest the same as well. However, I am will conduct further tests to try and gain more insightful information. This would include performing multiple same gear pulls in the same location (I do not have a dyno at my house unfortunately) and with the same temperatures but with stock boost levels and no timing correction, tuned boost levels with and without timing correction. Ideally we would like ten pulls each with each overlaid and also averaged. That may provide some insight on what does and does not occur. My gut feeling is that this is a futile exercise and will result in what we have seen; no correction learning. But for the interest of all, it can be conducted; just not tonight. I am currently in Gainesville, FL and will be traveling quite a bit in the coming days. But getting back to discussions and considering the "knock is knock" comment, let’s consider why the higher RPM range has been focused on. This should be obvious to any "tooner" as this is where the majority of CPS offset occurs. It would be more visible if any learning occurred in the higher revs. We are talking about minimal numbers yet they are still significant; 0.5 - 1.0 degrees can make a difference between knocking and not knocking. Yet, other variances can cause more sway. There have already been some changes of stories in this adventure, which I am glad to see occur as it is enjoyable to many of us. And we can dissect that history if we must. But things may get a bit pointed when we go back and look at previous claims and now current stances. But that should be reserved for another thread; we all often get too OT and it makes threads hard to follow. As a side note, please suggest the following to Terry (or subliminally I have I suppose ): http://www.amazon.com/Excel-Charts-D.../dp/0764584731 |
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07-27-2009, 08:20 PM | #34 |
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07-29-2009, 11:13 AM | #35 |
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A couple logs from today (overlayed)... I'm dialing in the settings prior to dyno time (ut89, ign.cor.60). But look how consistent the 2 pulls were (started at lower RPM for Mike... 3k/3.5k was the slowest I could go on the highway today):
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07-29-2009, 12:46 PM | #37 |
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Not sure, the rate of acceleration didn't seem much different at all though during and after that throttle closure (when I do a very un-scientific examination looking at the road speed and do some overlaying).
it was repeatable though, so something to look into and fix for sure. |
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07-29-2009, 12:51 PM | #38 | |
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got it thanks, makes sense. For those wondering, the aggressive boost targeting I'm using creates this in the mid range which is normal. You don't feel it and performance doesn't change (there was no slow down in acceleration at all). It could be eliminated but I like that torquey "kick"
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07-29-2009, 01:20 PM | #42 |
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It crops up for me under lighter loads right after boost aggressively ramps up, like the new logs i just posted starting at ~3-3.5k
here is a 1st - 3rd gear launch, heavy loads in each gear with no throttle closure. (different settings/road/day/etc, just comparing heavy vs. light loads) |
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07-29-2009, 02:07 PM | #43 | |
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Your newest log brings up an interesting point for analysis. Check out how timing drops each gear, yet boost and CPS offset are staying around the same. By 4th gear timing is almost to the floor, yet a 4th gear dyno pull like the ones posted in my thread show much higher values. IAT isn't logged here but with your intercooler we're probably looking at a ~30F rise over the run? Not enough to trigger more CPS offsetting per the V3 tuning. So does that mean your car is ridiculously knocking in 4th gear? (spoiler alert: it doesn't, but curious for your analysis). Mike |
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Mike,
The DME trims timing based up IAT, gear and rate of acceleration. Not just knock activity. And contribution of knock activity can be isolated by retesting that same run on race gas. Shiv |
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