ACS coming with a BMW-approved N54 chip

SpectreMech · 01-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Talked with a friend in Aachen yesterday I consider a very reliable source... says ACS is coming to market with a chip kit that turns 360 bhp, and maintains the full BMW factory warranty.

Then he told me what they're gonna ask

enrita · 01-26-2009, 11:11 AM

i got 380 bhp for 500 Bucks :-)

GeorgiaTech335coupe · 01-26-2009, 11:13 AM

What are they gonna ask? $2500? If BMW is going to approve this, then what does that say about what they think the N54 can handle without reliability issues.

enrita · 01-26-2009, 11:24 AM

probably gonna be on the same level as Dinan. you pay after all the extended warranty on the engine plus the flashing.

Septro · 01-26-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335coupe

What are they gonna ask? $2500? If BMW is going to approve this, then what does that say about what they think the N54 can handle without reliability issues.

Quote of the month. If they are pushing the N54 to these levels, then BMW has nothing but a strawman argument that the aftermarket tunes are pushing the engines beyond their stated capacity or tolerance levels.

It doesn't mean that they could hold the stance that a direct flash with full awareness of BMW programming is more reliable than a piggy with outside manipulation - but it is getting into pretty gray territory.

techforge · 01-26-2009, 11:29 AM

BMW already demonstrated a 400bhp N54 for an upcoming Z4 model. I think it was in Roundel about 1.5 yrs ago. I think it's becoming obvious the engine can handle up to that without serious risk. The question in my book is how much more can it handle beyond the 400 mark?

SpectreMech · 01-26-2009, 12:23 PM

Disclaimer: I'm an aircraft mechanic, and will freely admit I don't know FA about automobile engine tuning.

The bottom line was 6K. Hang on, that's EURO. Do the math.

I don't have a good frame of reference... but I'm guessing to pump a powerplant up that high AND support a warrantly that price has to include more than R&D. Wouldn't surprise me if BMW wants more robust components at the critical failure points...

Just guessing here.

GeorgiaTech335coupe · 01-26-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpectreMech

Disclaimer: I'm an aircraft mechanic, and will freely admit I don't know FA about automobile engine tuning.

The bottom line was 6K. Hang on, that's EURO. Do the math.

I don't have a good frame of reference... but I'm guessing to pump a powerplant up that high AND support a warrantly that price has to include more than R&D. Wouldn't surprise me if BMW wants more robust components at the critical failure points...

Just guessing here.

Holy sh!t. 6000 euros? Why wouldn't someone just get an M3 instead of this upgrade at that price. Please forward any information you receive about this tune and if there are any component upgrades involved. It would be great insight to what BMW is thinking about the engine.

Sniz · 01-26-2009, 12:56 PM

yeah thats just stupid. You can run full out race setup on V3 or JB3 and IF you blow your turbo's.....get them replaced for less than 6k. The engine is another story though.

jerrybajwa · 01-26-2009, 01:30 PM

i bet the price is gonna b sky high

Dan335i · 01-26-2009, 04:44 PM

I,m pretty sure the N54 can handle a whole lot more power than any of us think it can.

vgame64 · 01-26-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan335i

I,m pretty sure the N54 can handle a whole lot more power than any of us think it can.

Not the folks that think the 335i is the Supra 2.0.

enrita · 01-26-2009, 05:31 PM

thats probably including some other engine parts like pistons etc.

Alpina_B3_Lux · 01-27-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SpectreMech

Talked with a friend in Aachen yesterday I consider a very reliable source... says ACS is coming to market with a chip kit that turns 360 bhp, and maintains the full BMW factory warranty.

Then he told me what they're gonna ask

This is nothing new.

AC Schnitzer already has had a tuning kit out for months, and presently costs exactly 7460,57 (EUR!), VAT included. Gives you the same performance as the Alpina B3 Biturbo (360 HP crank, 500 Nm), but includes besides the ECU flash also a quad exhaust (muffler only) and a new speedometer. You cannot buy these things separately but only as a package, and even for that the price is really prohibitive. Especially if you take into account that for less extra charge you get from Alpina 18" wheels, their aerodynamics package and new pistons for the motor.

Prices for ECU flashes in Germany with renowned tuners like Noelle or Evotech or Kelleners cost presently around 2500 EUR, and a new speedo is available at 700, new Eisenmann muffler are another 1600 (and these are the most expensive). If you add all this, you still come considerably short of what ACS asks for.

If you want to go the aftermarket way, you get for the same money a lot more from other vendors. Noelle's 400 HP tuning option includes also an additional oilcooler and a complete exhaust solution with metal cats. Considering this, ACS has a rather bad cost/performance ratio IMO.

You can look it up yourself on the ACS website: http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/acs_kpl/index.html

And after a tuning by ACS your warranty with BMW does NOT include the tuning. This has always be the case and will also be like this in the future. The only "tuning" with an "official" warranty serviced by BMW is Alpina.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Spydeputy · 01-27-2009, 04:47 AM

don't see this happening if BMW is working on their own tune. this would be competition against itself...?

cstavaru · 01-27-2009, 04:49 AM

I think the OP is wrong or understood it wrong. Its not "full BMW factory warranty", it's just "warranty". ACS warranty is just like the Dinan's: they just take over the warranty of your engine over the standard BMW warranty period.

Hampi · 01-27-2009, 08:25 AM

The AC Schnitzer package encludes software, exhaust and new tacho (dont know in english

) and cost here in Switzerland about 10500 USD or around 7000 €

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stressdoc · 01-28-2009, 10:40 PM

Considering what a pizza costs in Zürich, that translates to about 200 pizzas. Or 500 BigMacs.

Really going to be interesting to see what BMw Performance charges for the tune, H2O pump, and IC mods.

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SpectreMech Private 7 Rep 87 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 iDrive 35is Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: BF Idaho iTrader: (0)	ACS coming with a BMW-approved N54 chip Talked with a friend in Aachen yesterday I consider a very reliable source... says ACS is coming to market with a chip kit that turns 360 bhp, and maintains the full BMW factory warranty. Then he told me what they're gonna ask
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GeorgiaTech335coupe Lieutenant Colonel 76 Rep 1,883 Posts Drives: Black BMW 335i coupe Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	What are they gonna ask? $2500? If BMW is going to approve this, then what does that say about what they think the N54 can handle without reliability issues. __________________ Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	probably gonna be on the same level as Dinan. you pay after all the extended warranty on the engine plus the flashing. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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techforge Lieutenant 26 Rep 577 Posts Drives: 335xi coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denver iTrader: (2)	BMW already demonstrated a 400bhp N54 for an upcoming Z4 model. I think it was in Roundel about 1.5 yrs ago. I think it's becoming obvious the engine can handle up to that without serious risk. The question in my book is how much more can it handle beyond the 400 mark?
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SpectreMech Private 7 Rep 87 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 iDrive 35is Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: BF Idaho iTrader: (0)	Not even close... Disclaimer: I'm an aircraft mechanic, and will freely admit I don't know FA about automobile engine tuning. The bottom line was 6K. Hang on, that's EURO. Do the math. I don't have a good frame of reference... but I'm guessing to pump a powerplant up that high AND support a warrantly that price has to include more than R&D. Wouldn't surprise me if BMW wants more robust components at the critical failure points... Just guessing here.
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Sniz Lieutenant General 654 Rep 10,587 Posts Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD iTrader: (1)	yeah thats just stupid. You can run full out race setup on V3 or JB3 and IF you blow your turbo's.....get them replaced for less than 6k. The engine is another story though. __________________
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Dan335i Lieutenant Colonel 32 Rep 1,786 Posts Drives: 07 335i coupe 6MT,w/sp. pack. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: orange county NY iTrader: (2)	I,m pretty sure the N54 can handle a whole lot more power than any of us think it can.
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	thats probably including some other engine parts like pistons etc. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	I think the OP is wrong or understood it wrong. Its not "full BMW factory warranty", it's just "warranty". ACS warranty is just like the Dinan's: they just take over the warranty of your engine over the standard BMW warranty period.
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Hampi Private First Class 3 Rep 197 Posts Drives: BMW Alpina B4S Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	The AC Schnitzer package encludes software, exhaust and new tacho (dont know in english ) and cost here in Switzerland about 10500 USD or around 7000 € ! __________________ Alpina B4S M8 Competition coming soon
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