[stimpy]

Originally Posted by sleepdoc

I don't own a Benz, so I guess I am not as schooled as you on E55 times, maybe somebody who is will chime in.....

Of course NOS doesn't count, I am not an idiot.

How many posts do you have on this board, like 7?

He brings facts and you bring this dribble? C`mon...

[FikseGTS]

better 60's tend to bring down the trap speeds....

Here is a video of my car running 11.6 @ 119.7 on street tires in 74 degree, humid south florida weather....

http://www.dragtimes.com/2005-Merced...eos-15107.html

not sure what the DA was for my run, but you can be sure that it wasn't negative.... DA is DA, these cars will trap 120 on the west coast...

Here is 119 MPH on the west coast in 80 degrees, you don't think it would trap 120 on a cool night??

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-13892.html

another one over 120 MPH, has the throttle body:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-12693.html

sleepdoc and I weighed our cars at the track, they are 500 pounds apart, not 1000... we've raced numerous times on the highway with the same or similar result... his car is surprisingly quick and fast... but the E55 pulls....

anything can happen on the street, take it to the track and let's see some real world #'s.... if it traps anywhere near 120, then congrats on the fastest 335i!

[sleepdoc]

Originally Posted by stimpy

He brings facts and you bring this dribble? C`mon...

Please reference the above post

[Illusionist]

Originally Posted by FikseGTS

better 60's tend to bring down the trap speeds....

Here is a video of my car running 11.6 @ 119.7 on street tires in 74 degree, humid south florida weather....

http://www.dragtimes.com/2005-Merced...eos-15107.html

not sure what the DA was for my run, but you can be sure that it wasn't negative.... DA is DA, these cars will trap 120 on the west coast...

Here is 119 MPH on the west coast in 80 degrees, you don't think it would trap 120 on a cool night??

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-13892.html

another one over 120 MPH, has the throttle body:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-12693.html

sleepdoc and I weighed our cars at the track, they are 500 pounds apart, not 1000... we've raced numerous times on the highway with the same or similar result... his car is surprisingly quick and fast... but the E55 pulls....

anything can happen on the street, take it to the track and let's see some real world #'s.... if it traps anywhere near 120, then congrats on the fastest 335i!

The 1st dragtimes link is the E55 I was quoting in my post, Jrocket and the trap is 118 NOT 119 i guess you had to round it off to support your arguement, also the 2nd link is Jakpro his car is listed @ K2+ ie a lil more than straight stg 1-2...in small writing @ the bottom it lists

Car is a Kleemann Stage 2 with throttle body and cams.

HARDLY just stg 2 guy lol...

1 lists Drag tires..

I'm not doubting the modded E55 w211 is fast, or will trap 120+ w/right altitude temp D/A etc.. your 55 is a Florida car once again proving my point East coast tracks are faster...

You can add all you want to the weather could be colder blah, blah, etc.. Fact is THEY AREN'T TRAPPING 120-121 mph in Ca.

I'm not taking sides, frankly I was shocked to see the 335i best the stg 1 w211 E55 by 2 lengths, I would've bet my soul it should've gone the other way but it didn't....I could care less who wins....

[Illusionist]

Originally Posted by sleepdoc

Please reference the above post

Please reference my post above..lol

[SLV335I]

I have been reading this post for two days now. All this proves is that anything can happen on the street. But there is no way that the 335i without adding every mod made for it right now is going to beat a stage1 E55 if the E55 was running right. I don’t care what anyone says on here. I have a few friends here in Chicago with E55's and they both trap over 118mph. One of them trapped 117 bone stock. I even raced one last year with my supra and it smoked me from a roll. They have instant power and it feels like it never ends.

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by Illusionist

The 1st dragtimes link is the E55 I was quoting in my post, Jrocket and the trap is 118 NOT 119 i guess you had to round it off to support your arguement, also the 2nd link is Jakpro his car is listed @ K2+ ie a lil more than straight stg 1-2...in small writing @ the bottom it lists HARDLY just stg 2 guy lol...

1 lists Drag tires..

I'm not doubting the modded E55 w211 is fast, or will trap 120+ w/right altitude temp D/A etc.. your 55 is a Florida car once again proving my point East coast tracks are faster...

You can add all you want to the weather could be colder blah, blah, etc.. Fact is THEY AREN'T TRAPPING 120-121 mph in Ca.

I'm not taking sides, frankly I was shocked to see the 335i best the stg 1 w211 E55 by 2 lengths, I would've bet my soul it should've gone the other way but it didn't....I could care less who wins....

How about this guy with street tires and Stg 1?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10601.html

[mmmotornutz]

Why are east coast tracks fast?? Most fast times come from the East Coast, from RSX's to S4s to now 335i's...I don't like Infineon!

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

How about this guy with street tires and Stg 1?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10601.html

dude, Illusionist is not saying that stage 1 W211 E55's don't trap 120+mph - he's just saying that it doesn't happen on the west coast (Cali). take a look at the time slip you posted a link to...it says Moroso at the top. that's as "east coast" as it gets.

look, i think what Illusionist has to say about the variance in average ET's/traps of W211 E55's (both stock AND stage 1) as far as east coast Vs west coast goes may have some merit. its not that E55 owners aren't drag racing their cars on the west coast - they are, but they just aren't trapping quite as well as they do on the east coast (for whatever reasons, temperature, humidity, altitude, or otherwise). i mean honestly, would we not see more stage 1 E55's on stock tires trapping ~120mph on the west coast if it were truly possible to do on a regular basis?

what do i think it all means? well, lets suppose for a moment that the average trap speed of the E55 is in fact a bit less on the west coast than it is on the east coast. all that means is that mildly modded/tuned 335i's will stand a better chance against mildly modded E55's in Cali than they will in Florida. i still think that, with external factors kept to a minimum, no serious driver handicaps, and cars in 100% working order, the E55 will prevail 9 times out of 10. i certainly have no problem believing the OP's story - i just also happen to believe that what DID go down, and what SHOULD HAVE gone down, are two VERY different things. now, the fact that he's in Cali, that makes it a bit easier to justify the results. but if you're on the east coast, and you think your mildly modded/tuned 335i is going to take (or even hang with) a mildly modded/tuned W211 E55, you're living in a pipe dream.

basically i couldn't agree more with Sniz in this thread...

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by djrobroe

the 335i is the fastest car EVER! how can any car beat it!!!

If you spent all day on this forum. You would actually start to believe that.


Wait until the new 5-series and the TTV8. Good bye little TT6.

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by 94JZA80

dude, Illusionist is not saying that stage 1 W211 E55's don't trap 120+mph - he's just saying that it doesn't happen on the west coast (Cali). take a look at the time slip you posted a link to...it says Moroso at the top. that's as "east coast" as it gets.

look, i think what Illusionist has to say about the variance in average ET's/traps of W211 E55's (both stock AND stage 1) as far as east coast Vs west coast goes may have some merit. its not that E55 owners aren't drag racing their cars on the west coast - they are, but they just aren't trapping quite as well as they do on the east coast (for whatever reasons, temperature, humidity, altitude, or otherwise). i mean honestly, would we not see more stage 1 E55's on stock tires trapping ~120mph on the west coast if it were truly possible to do on a regular basis?

what do i think it all means? well, lets suppose for a moment that the average trap speed of the E55 is in fact a bit less on the west coast than it is on the east coast. all that means is that mildly modded/tuned 335i's will stand a better chance against mildly modded E55's in Cali than they will in Florida. i still think that, with external factors kept to a minimum, no serious driver handicaps, and cars in 100% working order, the E55 will prevail 9 times out of 10. i certainly have no problem believing the OP's story - i just also happen to believe that what DID go down, and what SHOULD HAVE gone down, are two VERY different things. now, the fact that he's in Cali, that makes it a bit easier to justify the results. but if you're on the east coast, and you think your mildly modded/tuned 335i is going to take (or even hang with) a mildly modded/tuned W211 E55, you're living in a pipe dream.

basically i couldn't agree more with Sniz in this thread...

If for some reason the E55's are trapping lower on the west coast then so should the 335's right? That just makes no sense. So what happens when both drivers are in the Midwest where I live? Does it change again? Come on. But like I said. Anything can happen on the street.

[SLV335I]

This is the post from the MB forum. The e55 that was in the race posted there.

http://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258194

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

I believe the story is real... the outcome just seems off. but what do i know (nothing).

Apperenlty Not much guess you've never seen my vids with sherwin vs a Pullied E55 and E63 and M5 at once..

[sleepdoc]

[QUOTE=SLV335I;3237893]If for some reason the E55's are trapping lower on the west coast then so should the 335's right? That just makes no sense. So what happens when both drivers are in the Midwest where I live? Does it change again? Come on.QUOTE]

I agree. If Califorinia is so slow, then why do 7 of the top 9 335 Dragtimes come from California? I am not counting #2, Jacque was on the Bottle.

I am #7 by the way

So according to your logic, 335's in California are fast, but E55's are slow. OK, sure.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

If for some reason the E55's are trapping lower on the west coast then so should the 335's right? That just makes no sense. So what happens when both drivers are in the Midwest where I live? Does it change again? Come on. But like I said. Anything can happen on the street.

on the contrary, the fact that E55's have more documented evidence of trouble with overheating problems than the 335i ever did or ever will only adds to the fact that anything can happen on the streets...especially when the E55 has a limp mode disabling the supercharger when temps get too high. i know the 335i has had its issues with oil temps, and i know the 335i can go into limp modes as well. but, like other habe already said in this thread, the overheating problems of the E55 are very common, whereas i only hear of a 335i overheating (or going into limp mode for whatever reasons) once in a great while.

now, you would think that the weather is just as hot and just as humid down here in FL, which makes me question the theory as well. but at the same time, i can't simply deny it. what i'm trying to say is, while i can't prove it, i can't disprove it.


[QUOTE=sleepdoc;3238298]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

If for some reason the E55's are trapping lower on the west coast then so should the 335's right? That just makes no sense. So what happens when both drivers are in the Midwest where I live? Does it change again? Come on.QUOTE]

I agree. If Califorinia is so slow, then why do 7 of the top 9 335 Dragtimes come from California? I am not counting #2, Jacque was on the Bottle.

I am #7 by the way

So according to your logic, 335's in California are fast, but E55's are slow. OK, sure.

again, if E55's are having more overheating problems on the west coast than they do on the east coast and 335i's aren't having no such problems, then YES, it follow that a 335i stands a better chance against an e55 in Cali than in FL.

[FikseGTS]

ayee....

again, a better launch with drag tires will LOWER your trap speeds a bit.... again DA is DA no matter where you are, that's the point.... just because someone didn't post it to dragtimes, doesn't mean it didn't happen, or can't happen.... east coast vs west coast?? come on....

Originally Posted by Illusionist

The 1st dragtimes link is the E55 I was quoting in my post, Jrocket and the trap is 118 NOT 119 i guess you had to round it off to support your arguement, also the 2nd link is Jakpro his car is listed @ K2+ ie a lil more than straight stg 1-2...in small writing @ the bottom it lists HARDLY just stg 2 guy lol...

1 lists Drag tires..

I'm not doubting the modded E55 w211 is fast, or will trap 120+ w/right altitude temp D/A etc.. your 55 is a Florida car once again proving my point East coast tracks are faster...

You can add all you want to the weather could be colder blah, blah, etc.. Fact is THEY AREN'T TRAPPING 120-121 mph in Ca.

I'm not taking sides, frankly I was shocked to see the 335i best the stg 1 w211 E55 by 2 lengths, I would've bet my soul it should've gone the other way but it didn't....I could care less who wins....

[FikseGTS]

ah, so the 335i is immune to the so-called "west" coast effects..... this makes no sense, the 335i slows down with heat and higher DA as well, as will most cars.... sleepdoc and I have seen this making multiple runs while tuning with the gtec.....

Originally Posted by 94JZA80

what do i think it all means? well, lets suppose for a moment that the average trap speed of the E55 is in fact a bit less on the west coast than it is on the east coast. all that means is that mildly modded/tuned 335i's will stand a better chance against mildly modded E55's in Cali than they will in Florida.

[FikseGTS]

when the E55 shuts off the supercharger, it's due to a faulty intercooler pump.... with a faulty pump, the car will shut down the supercharger in just about any kind of weather after a full run, or even less... so yea, if you're running a broken E55, you'll win, location doesn't matter..... I wouldn't be running any victory laps with that kind of race though.....

another thing to consider with the E55 is the options the car has..... I have beaten stage 4/5 E55's at the track with my stage II due to weight..... some of the E55's are loaded up with options and can weigh 200+ pounds more than a lightly optioned one.... pano sunroof, drive dynamic seats, trunk closers, etc.. etc.. all add up...

Originally Posted by 94JZA80

again, if E55's are having more overheating problems on the west coast than they do on the east coast and 335i's aren't having no such problems, then YES, it follow that a 335i stands a better chance against an e55 in Cali than in FL.

[sleepdoc]

I lived in SoCal - Santa Ana- for 23 years. The weather there is for the most part much cooler and less humid than it is down here in SoFla. Maybe I am missing something, but one would think any overheating issues experienced on Cali would at least equally plague the E55 in SoFla.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by FikseGTS

ah, so the 335i is immune to the so-called "west" coast effects..... this makes no sense, the 335i slows down with heat and higher DA as well, as will most cars.... sleepdoc and I have seen this making multiple runs while tuning with the gtec.....

actually it DOES make sense. some temperature/humidity levels will affect one car and not the other. nobody's denying that if any "west coast" effects exist, then it is experienced by every car in the general vicinity, not just E55's. but just b/c every car in a general vicinity experiences identical external factors, or "effects" doesn't mean that every car will react the same way to those "effects." what may be unacceptable temperature/humidity levels to the E55 may not be unacceptable to the 335i. so yes, it is VERY possible for conditions to cause one car to go into limp mode while permitting the other car to continue operating normally.

Originally Posted by FikseGTS

...so yea, if you're running a broken E55, you'll win, location doesn't matter..... I wouldn't be running any victory laps with that kind of race though.....

neither would i, but there are plenty of 335i owners on these very boards who would

Originally Posted by sleepdoc

I lived in SoCal - Santa Ana- for 23 years. The weather there is for the most part much cooler and less humid than it is down here in SoFla. Maybe I am missing something, but one would think any overheating issues experienced on Cali would at least equally plague the E55 in SoFla.

like i already stated, i'm just as much of a skeptic as i am a believer...especially considering the fact that nobody's touched the issue of normal weather/climate trends until now. i tend to lean your way on the issue when considering how much hotter and more humid it is here in FL. but again, why are respectable time slips for W211 E55's so hard to find on the west coast? and why are stage 1 E55's regularly able to trap upper teens and into the 120's here in the hot as hell, humid as hell weather? i have a tough time believing that its all just a coincidence...then again, i also have a hard time believing these "west coast" effects without decent evidence.


guys, this is just food for thought more than anything else...i'm not trying to preach either side of the argument, rather just comfirm the possible reasons for certain outcomes when it comes to a race between a mildly modded/tuned 335i and a mildly modded/tuned E55 (let alone a stock E55).

[exidisjon]

Arent there far more tuned 335 in the west than the east?

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by exidisjon

Arent there far more tuned 335 in the west than the east?

I think that would be a very safe assumption. Hell there are probably more tuned 335's in California than the entire East Coast.