Sneak Peak at injector coding via INPA

vasillalov · 01-21-2012, 06:43 PM

After a lot of reading and learning, downloading and experimenting, I finally got INPA to work with my ECU (many thanks go to nivedhm). This is a sneak peak at the injector screen. At this point, I believe I am capable of coding my own injectors.

Few notes:

The two 3-digit numbers actually have a decimal point separator. So if your injector has the following stamping on it:

582
227

It actually means 58.2 and 2.27.

In this screen you can see how these are entered in the ECU for injector 1:

My next step is to verify that my currently installed injectors are actually coded in correctly! After that, I'll be replacing injector 1 in an attempt to rectify the misfiring issues I've been seeing.

EDIT:

I did some more digging. The second number represents the actual flow rate of the injectors. It measures in milligrams per pulse. So for an example, my number 1 injector will dump 2.44 milligrams of fuel per pulse.

It is now clear to me (at least) that in order to do proper tuning of big turbo and upgraded turbo's one would need to know the actual flow rate of the injectors. I think that the flash tuners will have an edge when it comes to big turbo tuning once they figure out how to read the flow rates of the injectors and more importantly, change the frequency of the injector pulses!

rader1 · 01-21-2012, 06:52 PM

Awesome work!!!

rismo · 01-21-2012, 06:52 PM

nice....
Would be great if it would work for you!

Can inpa be found somewhere on the internet? ;-)

enrita · 01-21-2012, 06:56 PM

great find! downloading one version right now :-) what cable is needed? BT cable probably doesnt work .

cn555ic · 01-21-2012, 07:06 PM

Nice work.

rismo · 01-21-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

great find! downloading one version right now :-) what cable is needed? BT cable probably doesnt work .

The cable that they also use in the programming forum... A German company seems to sell it...
I believe that you have to check that you buy the correct cable... do not buy chines ones as they might give some issues...

scottp999 · 01-21-2012, 07:22 PM

Great Info. Thanks for sharing.

bulldog_yyc · 01-21-2012, 07:41 PM

good stuff!

vasillalov · 01-21-2012, 08:12 PM

I will build a complete DIY for you guys. Unfortunately the forum rules do not allow me to post the actual software directly here.

Unfortunately, the weather in Chicago is rather cold. If we get couple of warm days I'll work on the car and replace the injector, but from the looks of it, I might have to wait till spring time to do this.

As a side note: I have a brand new injector sitting in my living room, waiting to be installed. It's numbers match EXACTLY my number 6 injector. So it seems that those injectors sometimes will have the same flow specs.

cn555ic · 01-21-2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I will build a complete DIY for you guys. Unfortunately the forum rules do not allow me to post the actual software directly here.

Unfortunately, the weather in Chicago is rather cold. If we get couple of warm days I'll work on the car and replace the injector, but from the looks of it, I might have to wait till spring time to do this.

As a side note: I have a brand new injector sitting in my living room, waiting to be installed. It's numbers match EXACTLY my number 6 injector. So it seems that those injectors sometimes will have the same flow specs.

This winter has been relatively warm as is. You made this thread, so you need to get this rolling and see if it works. Take only couple of minutes to change out the injector. Don't need to change them all out to confirm if it works. One will do. These teasers are a bit old.

vasillalov · 01-21-2012, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn555ic

This winter has been relatively warm as is. You made this thread, so you need to get this rolling and see if it works. Take only couple of minutes to change out the injector. Don't need to change them all out to confirm if it works. One will do. These teasers are a bit old.

Haha! I know. I did not mean to tease anyone. Honestly, I'll try to do it soon, but in subzero temps, my fingers just refuse to work. I loose all feeling and I can't even fold them.

FstAzzWhip · 01-21-2012, 08:31 PM

Nice work. I just went through this a few days ago. I replaced and coded (using INPA) my cyl 5 injector fixed all my issues with misfiring in that cylinder.

nitehawk · 01-21-2012, 08:34 PM

good work Vas. Looking forward to the DIY.

Ilma · 01-21-2012, 09:23 PM

Nice going

Hopefully this will help solve a lot of those annoying misfire problems that are plaguing us.

A DIY will save everyone a lot of time and headache!

ashleymarie0792 · 01-21-2012, 10:00 PM

What software do I need to program dsc module it's brand new I new it coded !

vasillalov · 01-21-2012, 10:05 PM

I did some more digging. The second number represents the actual flow rate of the injectors. It measures in milligrams per pulse. So for an example, my number 1 injector will dump 2.44 milligrams of fuel per pulse.

It is now clear to me (at least) that in order to do proper tuning of big turbo and upgraded turbo's one would need to know the actual flow rate of the injectors. I think that the flash tuners will have an edge when it comes to big turbo tuning once they figure out how to read the flow rates of the injectors and more importantly, change the frequency of the injector pulses!

dbjb · 01-21-2012, 11:18 PM

Nice work and +1 on the DIY.

Btw, please make it simple enough for those of us with no programming experience.

Rickygst · 01-21-2012, 11:28 PM

Great job, can't wait to get a DIY

enrita · 01-22-2012, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I did some more digging. The second number represents the actual flow rate of the injectors. It measures in milligrams per pulse. So for an example, my number 1 injector will dump 2.44 milligrams of fuel per pulse.

It is now clear to me (at least) that in order to do proper tuning of big turbo and upgraded turbo's one would need to know the actual flow rate of the injectors. I think that the flash tuners will have an edge when it comes to big turbo tuning once they figure out how to read the flow rates of the injectors and more importantly, change the frequency of the injector pulses!

Its the ecu that takes care of that thats why the coding per injector.

keendog42 · 01-22-2012, 07:52 AM

So if I am understanding this correctly; you Google ( site:thepiratebay.org bmw dis ) & Ebay ( BMW INPA EDIABAS interface ) and you're all set?

vasillalov · 01-22-2012, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keendog42

So if I am understanding this correctly; you Google ( site:thepiratebay.org bmw dis ) & Ebay ( BMW INPA EDIABAS interface ) and you're all set?

There is a bit more work involved into this...

cn555ic · 01-22-2012, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

There is a bit more work involved into this...

Can you please cut to the chase and just explain what needs to be done to download the software...Wow what is this all about...People ask what needs to be done and you answer with another riddle!

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vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1121 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	I will build a complete DIY for you guys. Unfortunately the forum rules do not allow me to post the actual software directly here. Unfortunately, the weather in Chicago is rather cold. If we get couple of warm days I'll work on the car and replace the injector, but from the looks of it, I might have to wait till spring time to do this. As a side note: I have a brand new injector sitting in my living room, waiting to be installed. It's numbers match EXACTLY my number 6 injector. So it seems that those injectors sometimes will have the same flow specs. __________________ 6MT \| COBB \| AR \| AE \| Forge DV \| HPF \| P3 Gauge \| Hybrid Intake \| O.S.Giken TCD \| All M3 bits \| TCKLine \| StopTech \| UUC \| ER \| SPEC
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Ilma Colonel 184 Rep 2,841 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mississauga iTrader: (0)	Nice going Hopefully this will help solve a lot of those annoying misfire problems that are plaguing us. A DIY will save everyone a lot of time and headache!
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vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1121 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	I did some more digging. The second number represents the actual flow rate of the injectors. It measures in milligrams per pulse. So for an example, my number 1 injector will dump 2.44 milligrams of fuel per pulse. It is now clear to me (at least) that in order to do proper tuning of big turbo and upgraded turbo's one would need to know the actual flow rate of the injectors. I think that the flash tuners will have an edge when it comes to big turbo tuning once they figure out how to read the flow rates of the injectors and more importantly, change the frequency of the injector pulses! __________________ 6MT \| COBB \| AR \| AE \| Forge DV \| HPF \| P3 Gauge \| Hybrid Intake \| O.S.Giken TCD \| All M3 bits \| TCKLine \| StopTech \| UUC \| ER \| SPEC
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keendog42 New Member 0 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: NJ iTrader: (1)	So if I am understanding this correctly; you Google ( site:thepiratebay.org bmw dis ) & Ebay ( BMW INPA EDIABAS interface ) and you're all set?
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