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      09-28-2007, 12:16 AM   #23
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What are some good performance shocks I can get for cheap and where?

Anyone on the forums here selling any and are local? (LA)
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inthemiddle is selling an Eibach / FSD combo that he is willing to split up. Although with H&Rs, Koni yellows are a better match as Fraggy found out. I'm preferential to the Koni yellows and Bilsteins myself.
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Where can I purchase Koni FSDs? Is that the same thing as Koni yellows?

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$665 for the Koni FSD. In stock, let me know.
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Where can I purchase Koni FSDs? Is that the same thing as Koni yellows?

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Koni FSD's are way different from Koni Yellows.... FSD's are good for H&R Sport springs and Eibach Pro kit springs, no good for H&R Race or Eibach Sportline springs...

Koni yellow shocks are good for all springs, and you can adjust the stiffness of the shock....

im running H&R Race springs with Koni yellow Shocks set to the stiffest setting and its AMAZING... car handles like a dream.... doesnt bounce
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It's not the tires, or the road, or the springs, period. The stock shocks are blown. I don't know why people on this forum keep on saying that you can run lowering springs with stock shocks. You can't. They'll blow out, and your car will not only ride like crap, it will also handle like crap and is a safety hazard. How hard is it to get some aftermarket shocks with your springs? If you pay for install twice that's $300 wasted, which is half the cost of a set of shocks. If you can only afford springs, then you shouldn't be lowering your car in the first place because your handling will suffer. Shocks make a MUCH bigger difference in handling than springs do.
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Glad someone agrees. But if somebody wants to slam the living crap out of their car for that super-tucked-look-yo, then go for it... it's their car. Coilovers slammed to the ground and 2"+ lowering springs are purely for aesthetics and make the car handle like crap unless extensive work has been done to re-arrange the geometry of the car. I highly doubt anybody has done anything like drop spindles on the E9x though.
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Alright so anyone on these forums selling Koni Yellows or Koni FSDs? I need a temporary solution before my OEM shocks wear out and until I can afford KW V2 coilovers.

?? thanks.
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Alright so anyone on these forums selling Koni Yellows or Koni FSDs? I need a temporary solution before my OEM shocks wear out and until I can afford KW V2 coilovers.

?? thanks.

Koni FSD will not work with H&R springs. Or rather, it's not recommended. FSD are only compatible with Eibach springs. BTW, PM replied
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i waited till the day i can afford it, after 18 months of onwership, i must say money well-spent with no time wasted. KW V2 you should consider
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so you are saying I should wait it out until I can afford the KW V2's?

won't my stock shocks blow? I mean I heard about this happening on hondas but on BMWs... the ride might be bouncy but is it really going to BLOW? come on now..
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and would H&R sway bars help with the bouncyness or no?
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and would H&R sway bars help with the bouncyness or no?
They will make the ride even stiffer -- basically they will make the car corner flatter. Get some koni yellows or Bilsteins and be done with it.
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and would H&R sway bars help with the bouncyness or no?
NO. Sway bars would make your car stiffer over uneven road bumps. Race springs make the bounce worse, since bouncing is a function of stiffness and spring rate. Race springs are stiffer.

You need better dampers (e.g., Koni) that will reduce compression and rebound of your car's body. This is the function of the shock absorber. However, there is always a sacrifice--a compromise between comfort and handling. The stiffer your car becomes, the more bumpy it will be. The H&R sport springs set up I had with the ZSP dampers was ideal for handling, but a little too bumpy over choppy roads and speed bumps at low speeds. The coilovers are smoother, and handle well, but I still think the H&R springs set up made for a better handling car (just not as comfortable).
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Just to add more FAQ to a good thread thus far, just how much of a drop F/R is the H&R sport springs as opposed to oem sport suspenion (e90)???

Thanks in advance.
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Just to add more FAQ to a good thread thus far, just how much of a drop F/R is the H&R sport springs as opposed to oem sport suspenion (e90)???

Thanks in advance.
The front drop is considerable despite what the specs say, as in 2-3 inches. I will take a photo of the sport spring next to the stock spring tomorrow when I take my sports off to put on my coilovers if no one believes that. They are WAY shorter in front. The car does have a "nose up" appearance stock so this is not a bad thing. I'm pretty sure thats a result of euro pedestrian crash laws (wouldnt you rather go over than under though?). The rears are slightly shorter, maybe an inch.
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and would H&R sway bars help with the bouncyness or no?
IT'S THE SHOCKS.
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Thanks so much for all the feedback everyone! I am purchasing Koni Yellows ASAP.

What level of stiffness do you guys recommend? This car is my daily commuter and I don't track the car.
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Leave it at the softest setting.
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Thanks Bull, what about readjustment of headlights? Is this necessary, and if so, how does one go abut doing it?
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Leave it at the softest setting.
Both front and rear?
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Yes F&R.

OKG, Readjust headlights with a screw driver. It's pretty apparent once you open your hood, on top of each headlight.
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