[Dtype]

I need to find if the problem is in the question (trigger) message or in the response message.

Check this. May be cool to our research.:
http://www.loopybunny.co.uk/CarPC/k_can.html

[Mik325tds]

Originally Posted by Sensible_

I am also waiting for a CAN logger.

But, I think we should not look at the coding memory in more detail. Because the coding blocks will point to specific function. I think it'll be the function that needs modifying to request a different CAN message. What do you think?

Re the table, not sure to be honest. I created the thread many months ago. I'll try to find the origin.

Here's the message layout for 0x1D0 ENGINE_1. TEMP_EOI is the engine oil temp.

[Sensible_]

Originally Posted by Mik325tds

Here's the message layout for 0x1D0 ENGINE_1. TEMP_EOI is the engine oil temp.

Which engine is this from?

[Mik325tds]

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Which engine is this from?

This is from a log of my M57D30T2, but the message layout is the same for all E9x.

[Dtype]

Originally Posted by Mik325tds

This is from a log of my M57D30T2, but the message layout is the same for all E9x.

What you use to read can data?

[Sensible_]

I've been reading about this on some old EXX forums. General consensus is that the DME/DDE broadcasts the oil temp to the Canbus.

This must be happening still as you say INPA can monitor oil temp?

Can anyone sniff communication with INPA when monitoring oil temp?

[6ixSpd]

This is very interesting.

I, too have a EU/Canadian spec MPG gauge and would much rather have a 0-200C temp gauge.

Has anyone gotten this to work on a N52 328i motor?

[Dtype]

Originally Posted by Sensible_

I've been reading about this on some old EXX forums. General consensus is that the DME/DDE broadcasts the oil temp to the Canbus.

This must be happening still as you say INPA can monitor oil temp?

Can anyone sniff communication with INPA when monitoring oil temp?

I can read oil temperature, but wont be able to see it on gauge.
Maybe a different broadcast? Or no broadcast at all.

[Sensible_]

Just to clarify as well, I think now the 6E / 6F is actually a simple switch. In binary is

6E = 01101110 - KVA
6F = 01101111 - OIL Temp

Looking at the Russian forum for the other KOMBI address's this is the same format.

I think only way to get oil temp to display on cars which don't have it available is to interrogate DME / DDE.

Exactly as you say, different or no broadcast.

[Sensible_]

I will look to winols now I think. Perhaps there is a way to enable the broadcast.

[Dtype]

Thanks.
I think its some thing blocked or not broadcasted by dde. For example, I couldn't get oilt temp, oil level, neither gear change status on may Kombi.
I know DDE know (because its programed) what gear is in use because of ratio readed (rpm/speed) but on kombi, activating gear change it wont work. I dont know winols so good as I Like Dont even know how to activate this broadcast.

[Sensible_]

Indeed.

Perhaps there is some nettodat coding for DDE which is accessible.

There are many programs available that convert 0pa and 0da files to binary for dissassembly. It'll be interesting to interrogate these to see if we can broadcast it. Or at least send coolant temp to Oil address.

[tryingtobebest]

Originally Posted by Sensible_

50-75-100-125-150 is possible.

In tool32 can you run the job: argument: 0x3105 (data not ticked)

codierdaten_lesen and pasted the result here.

Not sure if this info is still needed but here it is:

Originally Posted by Dtype

I had a friend who had few months ago, an E91 335d, M57Top engine (286hp) with M3 cluster and oil tem gauge was working. It was someone I don't know who did that job.
This car now is wrecked.

Yes, ive seen online 335d to M3 cluster conversion, complete with lower RPM redline and working oil temp gauge, so cluster should get this info from somewhere!?

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Yes, I can confirm M57 works well. I've tried my M3 Cluster in a 330d and 335d and oil temp gauge works perfectly.

SO, my hopes are still up!)

Originally Posted by Mik325tds

Today I tried it on a US model 2011 335d E90 (M57D30TU2 210kW, 286HP) and it did not work. The DDE doesn't populate the oil temp CAN message .
@Sensible_ do you know where that table came from that you listed in the first post?

Noooooooo, Monicaaaaaaaa...

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Just to clarify as well, I think now the 6E / 6F is actually a simple switch. In binary is

6E = 01101110 - KVA
6F = 01101111 - OIL Temp

Looking at the Russian forum for the other KOMBI address's this is the same format.

I think only way to get oil temp to display on cars which don't have it available is to interrogate DME / DDE.

Exactly as you say, different or no broadcast.

You know guys, lately Russian hackers are very good! LOL, Just joking here!

Originally Posted by Sensible_

I will look to winols now I think. Perhaps there is a way to enable the broadcast.

My hopes are up again!)

EDIT:
Hey, im sorry and i know this is COOLANT temp but cluster can get this info from somewhere maybe we can use it!? Fast forward to somewhere 1:48ish

[6ixSpd]

Update:It works! I used hex values for 0C, 50C, 100C, 150C, 200C. Verified the gauge reading against INPA's oil temp reading and it's correct!

Thanks so much for sharing this. I've wanted an oil temp since the beginning instead of the pointless MPG gauge. This does the job and saves me from having to buy a 335i cluster.

[Sensible_]

Originally Posted by tryingtobebest

Not sure if this info is still needed but here it is:

Yes, ive seen online 335d to M3 cluster conversion, complete with lower RPM redline and working oil temp gauge, so cluster should get this info from somewhere!?

SO, my hopes are still up!)

Noooooooo, Monicaaaaaaaa...

You know guys, lately Russian hackers are very good! LOL, Just joking here!

My hopes are up again!)

EDIT:
Hey, im sorry and i know this is COOLANT temp but cluster can get this info from somewhere maybe we can use it!? Fast forward to somewhere 1:48ish

Try this: it's your coding block for current instant MPG converted into a nettodat format. Scale is 0-200 as discussed.

B 00310500,0010,FF,33,0D,30,00,62,00,94,00,C6,00,F8, 00,00,00,BC
B 00310510,0008,01,78,03,35,05,F1,06,6F

(Should be 2 lines)

Simply paste into notepad and save as: OIL.MAN

Save it in NCSEXPERT / WORK folder.

Open NCSEXPERT, load a suitable profile. I use NCSDummy profile but any with manipulate will work.

Run as normal, F1, F3, back, process ecu KOMBI, change Jon sg_coderien then...

Basic functions" (F5) ---> "coapiCodeSgByNettoData"

In empty box write: OIL.MAN

press ok. And it should work...

[tryingtobebest]

Originally Posted by the6M3

Update:It works! I used hex values for 0C, 50C, 100C, 150C, 200C. Verified the gauge reading against INPA's oil temp reading and it's correct!

Thanks so much for sharing this. I've wanted an oil temp since the beginning instead of the pointless MPG gauge. This does the job and saves me from having to buy a 335i cluster.

Hey, can you possibly describe the behavior of the gauge, when the ignition is off its at 0 and if the car is warm and ignition is ON it moves to the middle BUT HOW FAST, somebody mention somewhere that gauge is moving very slow, hows yours acting?

Also, what is the year model and engine?

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by tryingtobebest

Hey, can you possibly describe the behavior of the gauge, when the ignition is off its at 0 and if the car is warm and ignition is ON it moves to the middle BUT HOW FAST, somebody mention somewhere that gauge is moving very slow, hows yours acting?

Also, what is the year model and engine?

Of course it moves slow, the oil temp takes time to warm up. Mine barely registered 56C (so at the 5.5 L/100km mark) after idling for almost 25 minutes in this cold weather while I was doing the coding. The mark on the needle corresponded with INPA's oil temp readout so I know it's accurate. Yes it is at zero when the ignition is off.

It functions and behaves exactly how the stock oil temp gauges in my old 335i and current M3, just with different labels of course.

This was tested on a 2009 E90 328i (N52).

[tryingtobebest]

Originally Posted by the6M3

Of course it moves slow, the oil temp takes time to warm up. Mine barely registered 56C (so at the 5.5 L/100km mark) after idling for almost 25 minutes in this cold weather while I was doing the coding. The mark on the needle corresponded with INPA's oil temp readout so I know it's accurate. Yes it is at zero when the ignition is off.

It functions and behaves exactly how the stock oil temp gauges in my old 335i and current M3, just with different labels of course.

Ok, this is my first BMW so im not sure how they are acting, but once the engine is HOT, how fast the needle moves to the middle from 0, once ignition goes from OFF to ON!? On a fully warm engine?

The reason im asking is i have problem with INPA reading DDE, and not sure how to fix it, so i cant verify or visually see data of engine temperature once done coding, only hope for the best!

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by tryingtobebest

Ok, this is my first BMW so im not sure how they are acting, but once the engine is HOT, how fast the needle moves to the middle from 0, once ignition goes from OFF to ON!? On a fully warm engine?

The reason im asking is i have problem with INPA reading DDE, and not sure how to fix it, so i cant verify or visually see data of engine temperature once done coding, only hope for the best!

It either works or it doesn't. The needle's hardware and range of sweeping is the same as with a car with a stock oil temp gauge. How it moves/behaves is exactly the same as long as the coding works. If you followed the guide and Tool32's executions said OKAY, then you are good to go. Coding will either work and work as intended, or it will not. There's no middle ground.

[tryingtobebest]

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Try this: it's your coding block for current instant MPG converted into a nettodat format. Scale is 0-200 as discussed.

B 00310500,0010,FF,33,0D,30,00,62,00,94,00,C6,00,F8, 00,00,00,BC
B 00310510,0008,01,78,03,35,05,F1,06,6F

(Should be 2 lines)

Simply paste into notepad and save as: OIL.MAN

Save it in NCSEXPERT / WORK folder.

Open NCSEXPERT, load a suitable profile. I use NCSDummy profile but any with manipulate will work.

Run as normal, F1, F3, back, process ecu KOMBI, change Jon sg_coderien then...

Basic functions" (F5) ---> "coapiCodeSgByNettoData"

In empty box write: OIL.MAN

press ok. And it should work...

This doesn't work!((( I have only 2 profile in NCSExpert (CNCoding and Expertmode) Tried in both!

There is a strange mistake NSC is throwing, do you know German?

Cluster does restarts but i still have MPG gauge working when i drive and not temp!(((

Im giving up for today!!(

[Dtype]

In that image seems to be a space between F8, 00.
Between comma and first 0.

[tryingtobebest]

Besides 325tds stated that it DIDN'T work for him in his own thread POST#26 ( Cluster coding - let's do it ourselves )