BT cable a must for tuned 335i's ?

e.n335 · 03-03-2010, 01:26 PM

Regardless of ECU flash or whatever piggy - YES !!!

please discuss.

Eugen

jpsimon · 03-03-2010, 01:29 PM

I've been able to diagnose whatever I needed with the procede's logging and code reading capabilities. Is the BT tool a great product and a nice addition? sure... but I've never needed any of it's other features. For other tunes I'd say it definitely is a must.

e.n335 · 03-03-2010, 01:36 PM

concern reliability, choosing the map where you think your car should be, the gas quality and warranty issues you might to have.

priceless, IMO.

eugen.

ianthegreat · 03-03-2010, 01:37 PM

I think it's pretty obvious the BT Tool goes WAY above and beyond what any specific tune can log.

I stay very busy with work and have little free time. The BT Tool is such a nice addition and more of a convenience tool for me. If I throw a code I can take a snapshot of the code, research the issue, and if the fix is <$400 I will fix the problem myself. I don't always have the luxury of taking my car to the dealer for free repairs as that could potentially tie me up for days at a time.

jpsimon · 03-03-2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

I think it's pretty obvious the BT Tool goes WAY above and beyond what any specific tune can log.

Bring on the tuner rants.

No one is saying otherwise.. but like I said I've personally never been close to needing any of the additional features it has. Obviously code reading/clearing are the top of the list for folks who buy the BT cable, but that is covered to the extent I need it already.

so is it a great addition, yes! a must? definitely not for everyone.

RambleJ · 03-03-2010, 01:44 PM

I think its a great tool, it can be used when your car is pure stock and tuneless.
As said in another thread ~ shiv's quote "JP's baseline was done in valet mode which just brings down boost to stock levels and sets ignition correction to 0deg. The fuel mapping (afr targetting) is still functional. If he were to physically remove the Procede, the afr logs would be considerably leaner."
Does this mean that in Valet mode the datalogging you are getting will not be accurate?

jpsimon · 03-03-2010, 01:48 PM

huh? that is pretty off-topic. The AFR logged was not by the procede, but by the sniffer on the dyno. People wondered why the AFR was the same in the valet run as it was in the normal stage 3 map run, and it is because that is the way the tune works: although boost/timing is reduced to stock levels the AFR targets remain the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RambleJ

I think its a great tool, it can be used when your car is pure stock and tuneless.
As said in another thread ~ shiv's quote "JP's baseline was done in valet mode which just brings down boost to stock levels and sets ignition correction to 0deg. The fuel mapping (afr targetting) is still functional. If he were to physically remove the Procede, the afr logs would be considerably leaner."
Does this mean that in Valet mode the datalogging you are getting will not be accurate?

ianthegreat · 03-03-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

No one is saying otherwise.. but like I said I've personally never been close to needing any of the additional features it has. Obviously code reading/clearing are the top of the list for folks who buy the BT cable, but that is covered to the extent I need it already.

so is it a great addition, yes! a must? definitely not for everyone.

you post to fast for my ninja edits

OpenFlash · 03-03-2010, 01:54 PM

This is a silly thread. If a bt tool is a must, then I'm screwed. I haven't dusted if off in months.

Shiv

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 03-03-2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

Regardless of ECU flash or whatever piggy - YES !!!

please discuss.

Eugen

+1 The ability to scan/clear EVERY module after your tune/mod is removed is priceless. I recommend it to most of my customers as for the price its just such a great tool to have in the garage.

Is it 100% necessary?, NO but for most its worth the peace of mind.

Mike

hun77777 · 03-03-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

you post to fast for my ninja edits

FAIL

anyways, i have procede and never really have to use bt scanner. procede itself does plenty of what i need

marconi118 · 03-03-2010, 02:01 PM

is it possible to set the idle RPM with the BT cable?

e.n335 · 03-03-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This is a silly thread. If a bt tool is a must, then I'm screwed. I haven't dusted if off in months.

Shiv

Shiv, we are talking about all tunes you can think of here. Nothing against your PROcede ...

Thanks,
Eugen

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 03-03-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

Shiv, we are talking about all tunes you can think of here. Nothing against your PROcede ...

Thanks,
Eugen

I think this discussion should include most mods as well. Like DPs, etc.. Tunes aren't the only thing that can throw codes.

Mike

e.n335 · 03-03-2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I think this discussion should include most mods as well. Like DPs, etc.. Tunes aren't the only thing that can throw codes.

Mike

+3

joec500 · 03-03-2010, 02:07 PM

Not a MUST....but for people like me who do not want to cross reference the PROcede codes and like to be able to get all errors in a nice report layout, I think it's a nice luxury, but def not a MUST have. To me it's worth the cash.... as you can easily re-sell a BT with open vins for 100-150...

OpenFlash · 03-03-2010, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

Shiv, we are talking about all tunes you can think of here. Nothing against your PROcede ...

Thanks,
Eugen

I don't understand. Why would I *need* a BT tool with my Procede tuned car. Could you give me a scenario?

Shiv

e.n335 · 03-03-2010, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't understand. Why would I *need* a BT tool with my Procede tuned car. Could you give me a scenario?

Shiv

In case you don't have a PROcede tuned car. For whatever reason. Another dimension

. Or you want to log additional parameters to that the PROcede front-end supports ( PROcede reader ? ). Looking at timing curves is best to search for knocking tendency but knowing the knock counts and where they happen ( even though they are not very reliable ) could not harm at all.

5soko · 03-03-2010, 02:23 PM

I think its a great for the 335i in general if and when you throw SES/limps/etc. that are not tune related, you want to see what is happening and why the car is throwing codes. Plus it has logging! So it def is a nice tool for the N54, must? maybe not, but its damn close to.

I have been tune since the first couple months i got my car over 3 years ago, i dont own a BT cable, but will get one soon enough in the spring most likely.

RevC · 03-03-2010, 02:23 PM

i've found the BT tool very useful, but with a jb3. Many similar codes can be cleared with procede as well without use of any cable. the only thing i have in question is in the scenario that the procede speed delimit caused a code, would the unit be able to clear that code as well?

OpenFlash · 03-03-2010, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

In case you don't have a PROcede tuned car. For whatever reason. Another dimension

. Or you want to log additional parameters to that the PROcede front-end supports ( PROcede reader ? ). Looking at timing curves is best to search for knocking tendency but knowing the knock counts ( even though they are not very reliable ) could not harm at all.

Then maybe clarify your first post to nonProcede tunes

ianthegreat · 03-03-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevC

i've found the BT tool very useful, but with a jb3. Many similar codes can be cleared with procede as well without use of any cable. the only thing i have in question is in the scenario that the procede speed delimit caused a code, would the unit be able to clear that code as well?

it's a shame the only thread of this topic mysteriously vanished

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ianthegreat Colonel 60 Rep 2,314 Posts Drives: n54 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh/Houston iTrader: (1)	I think it's pretty obvious the BT Tool goes WAY above and beyond what any specific tune can log. I stay very busy with work and have little free time. The BT Tool is such a nice addition and more of a convenience tool for me. If I throw a code I can take a snapshot of the code, research the issue, and if the fix is <$400 I will fix the problem myself. I don't always have the luxury of taking my car to the dealer for free repairs as that could potentially tie me up for days at a time. Last edited by ianthegreat; 03-03-2010 at 01:44 PM..
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RambleJ Colonel 60 Rep 2,014 Posts Drives: F10 535i M-sport Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Back in teh so cal iTrader: (2)	I think its a great tool, it can be used when your car is pure stock and tuneless. As said in another thread ~ shiv's quote "JP's baseline was done in valet mode which just brings down boost to stock levels and sets ignition correction to 0deg. The fuel mapping (afr targetting) is still functional. If he were to physically remove the Procede, the afr logs would be considerably leaner." Does this mean that in Valet mode the datalogging you are getting will not be accurate?
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joec500 Brigadier General 125 Rep 3,004 Posts Drives: it has 4 wheels Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (10)	Not a MUST....but for people like me who do not want to cross reference the PROcede codes and like to be able to get all errors in a nice report layout, I think it's a nice luxury, but def not a MUST have. To me it's worth the cash.... as you can easily re-sell a BT with open vins for 100-150...
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5soko Brigadier General 333 Rep 4,632 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	I think its a great for the 335i in general if and when you throw SES/limps/etc. that are not tune related, you want to see what is happening and why the car is throwing codes. Plus it has logging! So it def is a nice tool for the N54, must? maybe not, but its damn close to. I have been tune since the first couple months i got my car over 3 years ago, i dont own a BT cable, but will get one soon enough in the spring most likely.
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