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05-16-2012, 09:32 AM | #157 |
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If anyone wants to pull something positive out of this, we should all be thankful that we have Proceed, JB & Cobb.
Without competition the original Proceed was $1,300 for a (comparatively) crude product, and that was with a stronger dollar. If JB had not arrived to compete, the pace at which innovation occurred would have been much slower and we would be paying Dinan prices for worse products. Thanks to the competition, we are able to choose our tune and get great products at reasonable prices. Without the competition, we would have neither. |
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05-16-2012, 09:42 AM | #158 | ||
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In regards to intellectual property theft, do either Terry or Shiv have patents on anything? If not, it's the open market and not getting a patent or spending money to make reverse engineering difficult is an open invitation for competitors to be created. As a small businessman you should recognize that competition often makes the original business more successful as the target market starts to saturate. I can't tell you how many Evo/Sti guys I have spoken to that were looking to a 335i/xi because they got spanked or heard about the platform's potential. I haven't personally spoken to Srt4/Cobalt types but I have seen quite a few forum members that used to drive those cars as well. I don't begrudge Shiv or Terry (or Cobb/GIAC/etc) for innovation based on what the other was doing, this is business not the playground. While 'fair' may keep you warm and fuzzy inside, it doesn't pay the bills. In a market with direct competition on a very similar product with a limited # of prospective buyers, it's innovate or die. Not to dig too hard on GIAC, but I wonder what their USA sales have been like since Cobb came on the market? Quote:
This $50k is thrown around a lot but I'd venture to guess (based solely on my observations) that most JB4/Procede are being installed on 2007-2009 cars more so than 2011-2012. The older cars are closer to $20k than they are to $50k+, I don't know about you but I'd be much more willing to wrench on my $25-30k car than a $50-55k brand new car. Be interesting to see if Cobb is installed on more brand new cars as compared to JB4/Procede. |
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05-16-2012, 10:19 AM | #159 | |||
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actually, it was bumped by me, i'm not a fanboy, and my post is still there (i never removed it) |
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05-16-2012, 10:27 AM | #160 |
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You’re constantly on Vishnu's nuts. It's just a product you brought and nothing more. Stop trying to make it seem like its god's gift on earth for N54's. You are so biased it's not even worth arguing with you. It's sad to see there are people like you who are so easily manipulated. |
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05-16-2012, 10:30 AM | #161 |
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I've had my share of their customer service, wasn't impressed. Also glad you're keeping tabs on what I've bought and who I've been talking to, at least it would seem that way with the assumptions you just made. Maybe you work for Vishnu? Great credibility, bro!
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05-16-2012, 10:30 AM | #162 | |
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05-16-2012, 11:00 AM | #165 | |
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There are many benefits to tuning a brand new car over a used one - all components on a new car are usually in top shape, no wear and tear, suspension is tighter and brakes are fresh and more ready to respond to added power, no need to try to diagnose issues like carbon deposits, pipe leaks, worn our spark plugs, injectors, reduced compression, etc. OTOH, tuning a used car may exacerbate some existing minor issues that didn't crop up until substantially more boost was applied. I'm not trying to bash your opinion. I am just curious as to why people think it's somehow more cost effective to either wait until warranty expires to tune their cars, or that it is somehow less risk to tune a used car vs. new car of essentially the same make and model. With respect to 335s, I do see a clear benefit to tuning a used model as they have N54 motors instead of N55s. Of course, people can just also buy a new 335is for the N54. |
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05-16-2012, 11:17 AM | #166 |
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I usually don't comment, but come on let's be real here... it's not hard to see that you are the one of the biggest Proceed fanboys out there. There's nothing wrong with that, but just call it as it is. (This is coming from someone who has all the tunes)
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05-16-2012, 11:28 AM | #167 | |
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05-16-2012, 11:30 AM | #168 |
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i also have all 3 tunes (jb, procede, cobb). not sure why respecting shiv, the way the procede drives, the innovation behind it, etc. makes you a fanboy.
i also love the cobb datalogging. once the ATR comes out, i'll have fun adjusting maps. i used to tune my old kpro and really enjoy making tweaks, datalogging, and making more tweaks to adjust the performance of my own car. how many people in this thread have any tuning experience before their n54? i'm sure it's not that many, as SO many people blindly chose the jb4 |
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05-16-2012, 11:37 AM | #169 |
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I really think this thread has run its course and its just getting funny now (but entertaining) I think this should be closed as you guys are just going off on personal attacks now and nothing really productive is emerging.
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