COBB Tuning introduction to the N54/N55 community...

COBB Tuning · 12-28-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by adrianBMW99

This is the only thing I question. As much as I like Cobb Tuning and respect their efforts, does my own garage mean an install like any other tune having to go into the ECU and CanBUS wires or does it mean simple OBDII plug? I felt this would be the main advantage of the COBB AP, otherwise what's the point? 3 years late and almost no advantages? N55 development first would have been considerably wiser as that game has just began...

Simply plug the AP into the OBD connector in the cabin. A couple button clicks later the AP will save the information needed to the AP and install. In some cases the AP will ask you to send us your ROM to add support if we have never seen that particular ROM version. Very simple operation.

Cheers,
Rob

atlharry · 12-28-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Please stop, people like you are the reason hpf charge 2k for straight pipes

I believe vendors have a right to charge what they believe is fair market price. You have the choice of voting with your wallet. People still pay 2k for HPF's straight pipes and thus, the vendor is validated.

Enicinitas · 12-28-2010, 06:47 PM

Right now I have the stg 2 / plus on my FBO (GIAC). Great tune... But, I'm sticking with the v5. IF the Cobb tune can provide what the V5 has in store than it's a different ballgame. Right now the V5 has all to R&D behind it - this can be proved wrong by cobb if they have been doing some major behind the scenes work. Right now. I believe that it's a major turbo market and a tune company needs a way in and and is going to stand on their prior work to authenticate their involvement. Prove me wrong cobb.

Clap135 · 12-28-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by COBB Tuning

Simply plug the AP into the OBD connector in the cabin. A couple button clicks later the AP will save the information needed to the AP and install. In some cases the AP will ask you to send us your ROM to add support if we have never seen that particular ROM version. Very simple operation.

Cheers,
Rob

Nice, how many initial maps are we looking at. Also what is the highest boost you guys are able to push. I am talking about the fully bolted guys running meth on ms109. Are you able to get to 18-19-20psi?

shockin330i · 12-28-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by atlharry

I believe vendors have a right to charge what they believe is fair market price. You have the choice of voting with your wallet. People still pay 2k for HPF's straight pipes and thus, the vendor is validated.

Its validated because most of us don't know any better lol.

Enicinitas · 12-28-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMN

What are the prices for GIAC flashes? Aren't they in the 1k range?

1494 $ for stage 2 / 2 plus / stock, mapswitcher. Pricey.

adrianBMW99 · 12-28-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by COBB Tuning

Simply plug the AP into the OBD connector in the cabin. A couple button clicks later the AP will save the information needed to the AP and install. In some cases the AP will ask you to send us your ROM to add support if we have never seen that particular ROM version. Very simple operation.

Cheers,
Rob

That is very sexy! If power levels are comparable and features are a plenty, then this might be a game changer

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 12-28-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Enicinitas

1494 $ for stage 2 / 2 plus / stock, mapswitcher. Pricey.

And you cant sell it and you cant do it yourself from the get-go.

Clap135 · 12-28-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Enicinitas

1494 $ for stage 2 / 2 plus / stock, mapswitcher. Pricey.

And people who don't know any better will STILL pay. I am amazed by the level of newbiness on this forum. Its like the guy above me said it perfect, for some reason, in this community, people simply don't know any better.

shockin330i · 12-28-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

And people who don't know any better will STILL pay. I am amazed by the level of newbiness on this forum. Its like the guy above me said it perfect, for some reason, in this community, people simply don't know any better.

Hi, I'm Ernie :hello:

Enicinitas · 12-28-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

And you cant sell it and you cant do it yourself from the get-go.

But I will get my refund minus labor for flashing / "unflashing" under their trial period.

Again ... Great flash ... not for me... and possibly not for anyone that want's to do new turbos later on - GIAC will not go out of their way to create a custom flash for upgraded turbos. It's there prerogative. BB

Boostin335 · 12-28-2010, 07:07 PM

Couple questions, that are important:

Until the ATP is available and that requires the user going to a "dealer"

Will you have different maps?

Stage 1 (just tune)

Stage 1+ (tune + intake)

Stage 2 (tune + intake + FMIC or DPs)

Stage 2+ (Tune + FMIC + DPs)

Stage 3 (Tune + FMIC+ DPs + meth and/or race gas)

Now you say power will be same or better. I take this as your typical Stage maps will compete with the jb3/procede.. but if the user gets "Protuned" (My STI was protuned), then this will allow that individual car to be tuned specifically for their mods, and thus will extract a little more hp then the competition.

Is what I wrote a fair assessment of what is coming? Also, have you been in contact with dealers - check out the local forums and see the shops, I am sure MANY would be interested in working with you.. this will get the ball rolling faster, unless you already did this!

Thanks,
Mike

Enicinitas · 12-28-2010, 07:16 PM

I agree that this "could" be a type of breakthrough - but mainly for shops that want to dyno tune you and charge you huge. If someone wants to dynotune after every mod they put on than this could be legit. However, with v5 and jb4 autotuning - why is this necessary for people that are not FBO plus upgraded turbos? It seems that if you get in touch with Terry or Shiv - they can do the same thing? Shiv's ad's say that they will have dealer's soon to custom dyno tune a car. CPE - when they f-ing decide to release their tune will do the same... Terry won't be slow on their heals. IMHO, unless PROVEN otherwise, this is an attempt to break into turbo territory, investment 101.

Alchem · 12-28-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Not exactly...
your telling me, every platform they made a tune for is 595-695 and the bmw has a nazi unbreakable ecu that requires more effort? lol no buying it.

I have heard that BMW ECU's are indeed tough to break.

BrianMN · 12-28-2010, 07:40 PM

My whole point is that $800 for an AP or protuner that a user (if qualified) can go to the dyno and custom tune it is not highway robbery. If this is more than a flash and rather a custom tuning tool, then $800 doesn't seem crazy high, rather reasonable compared to the market. Now if it is commonly $595 and $695 for other platforms, does an extra $100 for the N54 seem to be a stretch? I think not...and it can definitely reflect the added development cost, assuming there is more.

This, like other flashes will have its' advantages and disadvantages, but we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings.

$1495 for the GIAC Stage 2 shocked me..I had no idea it was that absurdly high.

possible335i2008 · 12-28-2010, 07:51 PM

I think anything above 645 for a basic tune is retarded...the "extra development" = BMW tax..I am just arguing for the principle. People charge us more because they can, they think because we work hard and have nice things that its ok to up the price and give explanations that revolve around the terms "quality" and BMW. Anything BMW is infinitely harder to make and produce "x" parts for that is b@#$@#t. Then they play to the ego of the community because BMW's are soooooo sophisticated that it just takes so much more time and quality material...steel from new Zealand and leather made from people just excuses to mark it up.

themyst · 12-28-2010, 08:00 PM

So stick with a piggyback then. I am still not sold on the idea of flash tuning while running methanol. Progressive meth mapping is the best thing that happened to this platform while running meth and simplifies things greatly.

For those running full bolt-ons on pump gas, do you really think you're going to gain a shit ton more power by custom tuning? I highly doubt it.

AltecBX · 12-28-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Please stop, people like you are the reason hpf charge 2k for straight pipes

2k for metal

themyst · 12-28-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

2k for metal

I could go to the goddamn muffler shop and get my mids and mufflers deleted for 10% of the cost of that HPF unit.

shockin330i · 12-28-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

I could go to the goddamn muffler shop and get my mids and mufflers deleted for 10% of the cost of that HPF unit.

I got it done for 90 bucks lol
oh and the hpf is 1 tube all the way to the back.

Iwantm3 · 12-28-2010, 08:35 PM

$800 is a normal price for a tune recently people paid more for procede jb3 with bt and giac

silvermist99 · 12-28-2010, 08:42 PM

will it have timing control like vishnu? or like jb3 where it doesn't.. this is a big deal to some

12-28-2010, 06:47 PM	#91
Enicinitas First Lieutenant 13 Rep 322 Posts Drives: Gray Coupe Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Left Coast iTrader: (8)	Right now I have the stg 2 / plus on my FBO (GIAC). Great tune... But, I'm sticking with the v5. IF the Cobb tune can provide what the V5 has in store than it's a different ballgame. Right now the V5 has all to R&D behind it - this can be proved wrong by cobb if they have been doing some major behind the scenes work. Right now. I believe that it's a major turbo market and a tune company needs a way in and and is going to stand on their prior work to authenticate their involvement. Prove me wrong cobb.
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Boostin335 Lieutenant Colonel 561 Rep 1,723 Posts Drives: G82 M4CX, C8, MKIV Supra Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North/Central NJ iTrader: (2)	Couple questions, that are important: Until the ATP is available and that requires the user going to a "dealer" Will you have different maps? Stage 1 (just tune) Stage 1+ (tune + intake) Stage 2 (tune + intake + FMIC or DPs) Stage 2+ (Tune + FMIC + DPs) Stage 3 (Tune + FMIC+ DPs + meth and/or race gas) Now you say power will be same or better. I take this as your typical Stage maps will compete with the jb3/procede.. but if the user gets "Protuned" (My STI was protuned), then this will allow that individual car to be tuned specifically for their mods, and thus will extract a little more hp then the competition. Is what I wrote a fair assessment of what is coming? Also, have you been in contact with dealers - check out the local forums and see the shops, I am sure MANY would be interested in working with you.. this will get the ball rolling faster, unless you already did this! Thanks, Mike
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12-28-2010, 07:16 PM	#101
Enicinitas First Lieutenant 13 Rep 322 Posts Drives: Gray Coupe Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Left Coast iTrader: (8)	I agree that this "could" be a type of breakthrough - but mainly for shops that want to dyno tune you and charge you huge. If someone wants to dynotune after every mod they put on than this could be legit. However, with v5 and jb4 autotuning - why is this necessary for people that are not FBO plus upgraded turbos? It seems that if you get in touch with Terry or Shiv - they can do the same thing? Shiv's ad's say that they will have dealer's soon to custom dyno tune a car. CPE - when they f-ing decide to release their tune will do the same... Terry won't be slow on their heals. IMHO, unless PROVEN otherwise, this is an attempt to break into turbo territory, investment 101.
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12-28-2010, 07:40 PM	#103
BrianMN Banned 114 Rep 2,428 Posts Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis iTrader: (7)	My whole point is that $800 for an AP or protuner that a user (if qualified) can go to the dyno and custom tune it is not highway robbery. If this is more than a flash and rather a custom tuning tool, then $800 doesn't seem crazy high, rather reasonable compared to the market. Now if it is commonly $595 and $695 for other platforms, does an extra $100 for the N54 seem to be a stretch? I think not...and it can definitely reflect the added development cost, assuming there is more. This, like other flashes will have its' advantages and disadvantages, but we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings. $1495 for the GIAC Stage 2 shocked me..I had no idea it was that absurdly high.
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12-28-2010, 07:51 PM	#104
possible335i2008 Major 166 Rep 1,222 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: united states iTrader: (10)	I think anything above 645 for a basic tune is retarded...the "extra development" = BMW tax..I am just arguing for the principle. People charge us more because they can, they think because we work hard and have nice things that its ok to up the price and give explanations that revolve around the terms "quality" and BMW. Anything BMW is infinitely harder to make and produce "x" parts for that is b@#$@#t. Then they play to the ego of the community because BMW's are soooooo sophisticated that it just takes so much more time and quality material...steel from new Zealand and leather made from people just excuses to mark it up.
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12-28-2010, 08:00 PM	#105
themyst Major General 177 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	So stick with a piggyback then. I am still not sold on the idea of flash tuning while running methanol. Progressive meth mapping is the best thing that happened to this platform while running meth and simplifies things greatly. For those running full bolt-ons on pump gas, do you really think you're going to gain a shit ton more power by custom tuning? I highly doubt it.
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Iwantm3 Banned 34 Rep 1,284 Posts Drives: 335i M sport Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: US AND A I likeeeee iTrader: (1)	$800 is a normal price for a tune recently people paid more for procede jb3 with bt and giac
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12-28-2010, 08:42 PM	#110
silvermist99 Second Lieutenant 11 Rep 272 Posts Drives: 335i 6MT & X5D 6AT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Unionville, Canada iTrader: (3) Garage List 2007 BMW 323I [0.00] 2007 BMW 335I [0.00]	will it have timing control like vishnu? or like jb3 where it doesn't.. this is a big deal to some
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