[AU335i]

Originally Posted by benzy89

And if you agree w/ Lulz, you'd agree that octane booster isn't worth shit

I agree that really high octane mixtures may actually hurt performance because I did experience an issue like he suggested where higher octane made my car alot slower.


as for octane booster... for my needs, which was to find the reason why my car would pull a bunch of timing on Aggressive maps even though I'm supposedly using 93 octane, octane booster did that fine for me with no performance issues.


What is the whole point of running higher octane on a 93 octane map... to make sure your car runs happy (no timing pulls) while running it hard right? Well I feel like octane booster does that just fine imo...

my question is... is it bad to run octane boosters often? if so, why? is it because some has lead content like Lulz M3's article suggested or is it because another reason?

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by AU335i

my question is... is it bad to run octane boosters often? if so, why? is it because some has lead content like Lulz M3's article suggested or is it because another reason?

Fair.... I've read a few articles that say the same thing as Lulz's article that basically octane booster aren't worth the money. It makes sense to run as a fuel injector replacement to correct timing pulls, but the articles I've seen have suggested that 1 octane booster ever XXX miles isn't bad, but it wouldn't be beneficial to run it at every fill up. I wouldn't say 1 every 3 months just b/c every1's monthly mileage is different.

[type rrr]

they are 3 good and tested octane booster....

1-lucas
2-torco
3-nos..

personally i use lucas sometime at the track and i had good result on stg2+

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by Lulz_M3

A long read but a good one for those looking into octane boosters. Quoted from another website. My advice to you would be to add a splash of unleaded race gas to 93 on track days, unless you have a race gas tune to take advantage of it.

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Nice. Thanks very much for the writeup - definitely a good read, worth knowing.

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by benzy89

That's why I said 60 point booster... And I am not putting shit I can't pronounce into my gas tank.

What product is 60pt, and how large a container? Because if it's just a 16oz bottle, you've got a mathematics issue. In order for a 16oz bottle to raise 6R+M/2s on a 15 gallon tank (from 91 octane), the fluid in it would have to be like 691 octane.

Anyone speaking intelligently about octane boosters should know what xylene and toluene are. They are the #1 octane boosting chemical far and away. All the other crap in the boosters on the market is filler or lubrication. It's also what drives the octane numbers in the race gas you were suggesting earlier.

[BlackBB6]

The NOS race formula is 60 points.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by AWD Addict

What product is 60pt, and how large a container? Because if it's just a 16oz bottle, you've got a mathematics issue. In order for a 16oz bottle to raise 6R+M/2s on a 15 gallon tank (from 91 octane), the fluid in it would have to be like 691 octane.

Anyone speaking intelligently about octane boosters should know what xylene and toluene are. They are the #1 octane boosting chemical far and away. All the other crap in the boosters on the market is filler or lubrication. It's also what drives the octane numbers in the race gas you were suggesting earlier.

All Knowing AWD Addict -- You sir, are the weakest link



Description:
Developed to increase octane up to 60 points or 6 full octane numbers

[BlueBimmer]

Damn this thing didn't just wake up, it on cocaine!!
I couldn't fully test it due to heavy rain but I am very pleased with the 10 minutes of scary power!!

Installed and updated firmware and also flashed to newest beta maps (more aggressive I think but I can't fully say yet, very smooth though except when shifting - very fast and stiff.

I am looking at the AP manager and can't seem to find my stock ECU data? Can anyone help with this, how do I know if it's been backed up or not (checked the flag in settings but under ECU data, I don't see anything).

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by BlueBimmer

Damn this thing didn't just wake up, it on cocaine!!
I am looking at the AP manager and can't seem to find my stock ECU data? Can anyone help with this, how do I know if it's been backed up or not (checked the flag in settings but under ECU data, I don't see anything).

Haha it's a shame you didn't get that 1st experience in dry weather. The AP has the stock ECU data saved as "Stage 0 Map".

[nafoo]

Originally Posted by BlueBimmer

Damn this thing didn't just wake up, it on cocaine!!
I couldn't fully test it due to heavy rain but I am very pleased with the 10 minutes of scary power!!

Installed and updated firmware and also flashed to newest beta maps (more aggressive I think but I can't fully say yet, very smooth though except when shifting - very fast and stiff.

I am looking at the AP manager and can't seem to find my stock ECU data? Can anyone help with this, how do I know if it's been backed up or not (checked the flag in settings but under ECU data, I don't see anything).

It should be hidden somewhere on the AP. You can test it by uninstalling.

[AU335i]

Originally Posted by benzy89

All Knowing AWD Addict -- You sir, are the weakest link



Description:
Developed to increase octane up to 60 points or 6 full octane numbers

this is the exact bottle i used haha and as for octane boosters doing "nothing"... i kept getting what looked like knock induced timing pulls... used the same gas and a bottle of this and it cleared them all up... so they at least do something and it was only $13 dollars.


do you know if this brand is street legal? i would assume so but not sure haha

[BlueBimmer]

Originally Posted by nafoo

It should be hidden somewhere on the AP. You can test it by uninstalling.

I found an option on the AP under Access Port >>Expose ECU data

Wonder if this is what I am looking for.

[BlueBimmer]

Originally Posted by benzy89

Haha it's a shame you didn't get that 1st experience in dry weather. The AP has the stock ECU data saved as "Stage 0 Map".

Hopefully tomorrow it clears up a bit and I can check it out properly, I just couldn't help waiting and had to go try it out tonight!

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by benzy89

All Knowing AWD Addict -- You sir, are the weakest link



Description:
Developed to increase octane up to 60 points or 6 full octane numbers

Thats been tested to add less than 1.8 RON, which would be like 1.5R+M/2.

http://www.fueltechexperts.com/2008/...which-is-best/

The toluene scored substantially higher,you'll note. Also, NOS uses MMT and has been reported to foul plugs after one use. Toluene is already mixed into typical pump gas.

Looks like I'm at least knowing more than you, dbag.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by AU335i

this is the exact bottle i used haha and as for octane boosters doing "nothing"... i kept getting what looked like knock induced timing pulls... used the same gas and a bottle of this and it cleared them all up... so they at least do something and it was only $13 dollars.


do you know if this brand is street legal? i would assume so but not sure haha

Here's the link to Tech Specs on NOS Octane Booster
http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/12010.pdf

See the bolded words "Note: Not Legal for Street Use"

Originally Posted by AWD Addict

Looks like I'm at least. Knowing more than you, dbag.

1. I was debating with you over the conversion of 60 points = 6 octane points
2. I don't use octane boosters, so at the end of the day I really don't care
3. Here's what your article has to say about toluene
   

   Since toluene (pronounced toll-you-een – also known as methyl benzine) isn’t a commercially advertised octane booster, we were unsure of exactly what ratio to mix the clear Toluene to the fuel.

   I'm no chemist & am not interested in finding out what Toluene is going to do to my engine internals

And even if I was a dbag (I understand that this is a normal reaction for Boston people when shit doesn't go their way), at least I can write a coherent sentence

[AWD Addict]

MMT has ben banned from use in various places but has been legal in the US and Canada for a while. 15 years or so. Its also a pump gas additive i think in some places.

Most of these chemicals are pretty nasty stuff

[AU335i]

Originally Posted by AWD Addict

MMT has ben banned from use in various places but has been legal in the US and Canada for a while. 15 years or so. Its also a pump gas additive i think in some places.

Most of these chemicals are pretty nasty stuff

hmm so does it take alot of MMT to foul plugs?


i have also heard toulene as a good way to raise octane but im not sure of how to mix it anyways

[rader1]

FWIW, toluene has been in use as a home brew race gas for A LONG time.
There are a bunch of charts floating around the interwebs showing mixing formulas and what stoich AFRs would be.
I was a chem freak in high school and did a couple research papers on home brew race gas. Toluene is NOT a chemical to mess with. IIRC it does really fucked up things with your brain cells and is closely linked to cancer.

I'll just wait for e85.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by rader1

I was a chem freak in high school and did a couple research papers on home brew race gas. Toluene is NOT a chemical to mess with. IIRC it does really fucked up things with your brain cells and is closely linked to cancer.

Toluene
Reward = Guaranteed Octane Booster
Risk = Cancer


YEP, not fucking w/ that shit just for +2.5 RON.

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by AU335i

hmm so does it take alot of MMT to foul plugs?


i have also heard toulene as a good way to raise octane but im not sure of how to mix it anyways

I'm not sure. I've read a number of reviews of MMT based boosters that leave an orange buildup on plugs, and prematurly foul them.

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by benzy89

[*]I was debating with you over the conversion of 60 points = 6 octane

And independent testing confirms it's not 6 octane points. Not even close.

Originally Posted by benzy89

[*]Here's what your article has to say about toluene

I'm no chemist & am not interested in finding out what Toluene is going to do to my engine internals

Er, so?

Originally Posted by benzy89

And even if I was a dbag (I understand that this is a normal reaction for Boston people when shit doesn't go their way), at least I can write a coherent sentence

So what didn't go my way? Did you find out how NOS could magically turn a tank of gas up 6 points yet? Some "debate." You make crap up, insult people for being wrong when you're in fact wrong, then follow up with more insults.

You're doing a bang up job here. Anything else valuable to add?

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by benzy89

Toluene
Reward = Guaranteed Octane Booster
Risk = Cancer


YEP, not fucking w/ that shit just for +2.5 RON.

So you're going to stop using pump gas?