[Tzu]

It was more time consuming than anything.

I've said on this forum before, the dealer cleaned my valves as well. Complain of sputtering and overall sluggishness compared to when you first got it. If they dont know what youre talking about, I'd go to a different dealer. Show them the intake valve picture thread. It's a known issue.

[Rotorocious]

I can't believe Shiv posted that.....

[samchoi604]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I can't believe Shiv posted that.....

I was thinking exactly the same thing...........

[Wedge1967]

I can't believe Shiv posted that knowing people who don't have a clue would bust on his simple cost effect advise. Funny... So what do you do for a living? Tune cars or dream about it? I have seen Seafoam in action and although a manual professional cleaning will look nice, save your money and try Seafoam. You're not out much and just think, you can afford a new set of iBright LED's now.

[OpenFlash]

It's pretty funny. Over the last 15 years of tuning, I've come across a handful of cars that simply didn't make good power. They knocked terribly regardless of fuel quality/conditions. They idled poorly. Didn't run smoothly. Most of the time, they are higher mileage cars (the 115k mile 335 that we installed a Procede/PWM meth kit a few weeks ago comes to mind). Many of those cars (including that high mileage 335) drove VERY differently after a Seafoam treatment. Not just subjectively but objectively as verified by datalogs. The change with the 335 was especially dramatic. It went from needing to run a baseline map with 5 gallons of race gas per tank (and still showing ugly ignition advance longs WITH methanol) to behaving like a "normal" car. You can say it's old technology and that it doesn't work. And you very well may believe that until you come across an instance were it works very well. Over the years, it's surprised me more often than it disappointed me. And I've done my fair share of dyno testing/datalog analysis over the last 1.5 decades.

Shiv

[Rotorocious]

And here comes nutswinger #1....
Didn't mean to the thread to shit but seafoam doesn't clean valves worth a damn. I just think its better to not give false hope that it will.
I've had my Intake off 4 times since my first cleaning and it doesn't do anything noticeable.

[Rotorocious]

Ok ok, I retract my previous statement then.
I suppose it's worth a try at a whopping $7, I'll give ya that.
but don't expect the moon.

[tibra1]

Fix in a bottle never works as well as proper techinque.

[Wedge1967]

LOL ~ Proper Technique...

[OpenFlash]

I can't believe he posted that

[Joshboody]

i seafoam every oil change... its fun to smoke the neighborhood. Probably only effects the combustion chamber, and manual cleaning is needed for the valves.

[Wedge1967]

I'm sure your neighbors just love you! Just make sure you use the proper technique. Sorry, can't get the 70's porn music out of my head now. Bom-chica-wow-wow... Haha

[ruphianh]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's pretty funny. Over the last 15 years of tuning, I've come across a handful of cars that simply didn't make good power. They knocked terribly regardless of fuel quality/conditions. They idled poorly. Didn't run smoothly. Most of the time, they are higher mileage cars (the 115k mile 335 that we installed a Procede/PWM meth kit a few weeks ago comes to mind). Many of those cars (including that high mileage 335) drove VERY differently after a Seafoam treatment. Not just subjectively but objectively as verified by datalogs. The change with the 335 was especially dramatic. It went from needing to run a baseline map with 5 gallons of race gas per tank (and still showing ugly ignition advance longs WITH methanol) to behaving like a "normal" car. You can say it's old technology and that it doesn't work. And you very well may believe that until you come across an instance were it works very well. Over the years, it's surprised me more often than it disappointed me. And I've done my fair share of dyno testing/datalog analysis over the last 1.5 decades.

Shiv

I will vouch for this as I was the high mileage 335 Shiv is talking about. I was sitting shot gun w/ Shivs laptop looking at the logs during our initial runs. Needless to say we were both concerned when we saw the logs from our initial pulls. The car was pulling an incredible amount of timing and you could feel the car doing such. I might go so far as to say it misfired once or twice. This was with 5 gallons of 100oct mixed in.

Shiv told me to run through the tank, use Seafoam(I ended up doing it twice I was so discouraged), and come back in a week with a full tank of 91octane.

He was right. 1 week later, Shiv loaded the new maps, and did our first pulls. Smooth as butter. No timing pulls.

Shiv was spot on when he recommended Seafoam. It transformed my car. No timing pulls and smoother idle.

I would recommend sea foam to anyone. It cost about $5 and took about 20minutes. Puts on a pretty good smoke show too!


Thanks Shiv!

[ruphianh]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Ok ok, I retract my previous statement then.
I suppose it's worth a try at a whopping $7, I'll give ya that.
but don't expect the moon.

Expect the moon. It transformed my car. Read post #35

Originally Posted by tibra1

Fix in a bottle never works as well as proper techinque.

Fix in a bottle works great. Try it out. Read post #35

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by ruphianh

Fix in a bottle works great. Try it out.

No

[Wedge1967]

I think a lot of people don't actually read the directions and think the Seafoam is a quick fix. It's not a quick fix, it slowly, let me repeat that, SLOWLY breaks down the binders that hold the carbon together. Oh, I forgot... It comes in a can not a bottle.

[samchoi604]

This guy ran a can/bottle of BG 44k and it made very little difference (IMO). He ended up taking the intake off and scrubbed the valves by hand.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9429280