BT scan of E90 335 with JB+ (code thrown)

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

BMW THIS! You don't want a technical discussion to take place?

You not going to turn this on me.

ultimateendz · 03-25-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It would be nicer if everyone could just debate on a technical level instead of getting all personal/off topic with things.

Shiv

+1 I agree but debate respectfully...alot can be learned from both tuners if there was no bickering back and forth...

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 12:47 PM

Heres a good one for jpsimon and shiv. Personally my favorite one today.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/19/tom-hanks-flips-out/

WCM3 · 03-25-2009, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fotios335i

this mod isnt doing too well invisibility wise. I had one at max boost but im pre 29.2. Its a fun Mod.

How do you know you are pre 29.2?

runningman · 03-25-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Also, the only reason you see me participating more in BMS/JB3 threads than PROcede threads is because there is more misinformation in them. Just look at them. And I'm a sucker for squashing misinformation when I see it. I know this bothers you and others at times. And for that, I'm sorry. We love educated customers (even if they are not ours). And we love it when they question us. Just makes the exchange of info more beneficial to everyone.

Shiv

The problem with the above is you're not educated on these products, and much of what you spout off is an uneducated guess at guest. The IAT example Mike cited above is an example of this, and there are many other examples, some of which I've quoted before.

Really, the issue is that people look at your statements as having some basis in reality when often it's garbage. We shouldn't blame you. You may not know any better. We should be blaming the people that read your ramblings and take them for fact IMHO.

lpphreakx06 · 03-25-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW THIS!

Heres a good one for jpsimon and shiv. Personally my favorite one today.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/19/tom-hanks-flips-out/

Who are you really?

Septro · 03-25-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

BMW THIS! You don't want a technical discussion to take place?

Get F'n real. The technical discussion is nothing but a guise to diminish another product.

Go look at the PNW Dyno thread to realize how opportunistic Shiv is when he thinks it suits him even though a stock car had similar low performance and one new guy on the dyno ran the wrong map, but he choose to single out the JB output.

Go look at Scalbert's testing thread on how we had about 30pages of timing discussion to come realize that holy shit the PROcede rides the knock sensor as well during adaption - and now there is no technical discussion left to be had since it isn't in his favor.

I'll refer you to HotRod's various tune only record posts and the whole 'he's running NOS' accusations he hasn't blink an eye to apologize after HotRod drove 500+ miles to shut his ass up.

You still want to flag-wave his technical analysis? Please. You're becoming as transparent to identify as Shiv himself.

OpenFlash · 03-25-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runningman

The problem with the above is you're not educated on these products, and much of what you spout off is an uneducated guess at guest. The IAT example Mike cited above is an example of this, and there are many other examples, some of which I've quoted before.

Really, the issue is that people look at your statements as having some basis in reality when often it's garbage. We shouldn't blame you. You may not know any better. We should be blaming the people that read your ramblings and take them for fact IMHO.

Again. A lot of talk. But not much info. Please re-read the IAT example you refer too. I said "if" the JB+ adjusts IAT, not that it does. Then I asked Mike if he was sure when he said it didn't. Because historically, he has passed along inaccurate info from Terry without verifying it first himself. I can post examples if you'd like. Maybe you can do the same with regards to my ramblings and we can compare notes?

Shiv

Septro · 03-25-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Again. A lot of talk. But not much info. Please re-read the IAT example you refer too. I said "if" the JB+ adjusts IAT, not that it does. Then I asked Mike if he was sure when he said it didn't. Because historically, he has passed along inaccurate info from Terry without verifying it first himself. I can post examples if you'd like. Maybe you can do the same with regards to my ramblings and we can compare notes?

Shiv

Don't bother dude.. you've accomplished what you wanted. You made an insinuation based on crap to derail a thread..

No sweat tho - folks are being more vocal and chiming in realizing your antics. Look in the mirror and say "I'm important, I'm special, and gosh darn it I'm technical so people like me!"

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

Who are you really?

My name is Megatron, leader of Decepticons

lpphreakx06 · 03-25-2009, 01:20 PM

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

Yeah I thought that was pretty funny too.

runningman · 03-25-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Again. A lot of talk. But not much info... I can post examples if you'd like. Maybe you can do the same with regards to my ramblings and we can compare notes?

Sigh, OK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

What "boost algorithms" are there when only boost and IAT signals are available to the processor?

From:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=27

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It really doesn't do much in the way of logic since it can only read and modify two signals (MAP and IAT).

From:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=31

So first, according to your posts, the JB+ has no capability for boost logic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The problem you are seeing with the jb+ is caused by two things:

1) The slew rate that Terry is using for MAP attenutation

2) The recent rise in ambient temps. I'm guessing most testing was done in the winter. There is a scalar miscalculation when you apply a global non-RPM dependant MAP trim that brings you a few steps closer to the tripping the manipulation code. Closer than you once thought, at least. The SSTT didn't have this problem since it was a passive device that just applied a straight MAP signal trim independant of IAT or time under boost.

From:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=31

Then just a few posts later not only does it have capability for logic, the problem is really that the logic is all wrong. So Mike@N54tuning has to come in and correct you. Again. Really though, can we blame you? You're just a guy trying to make ends meet. I'm willing to accept you just are ignorant to the facts here and doing your best to try to help. The real mistake is for anyone to read your posts and accept them as anything other than your personally biased conjecture.

Septro · 03-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Good job runningman - now watch his thread participation die on the vine as usual. He's got a modus operandi where it looks like this:

a. Someone posts something JB related
b. Shiv posts technical yappity-yap (mostly obfuscation, rarely true)
c. Folks refute, tell him to get out
d. He emo-posts about 'Can't we all be technical?' and 'Show me where I'm wrong'
e. Evidence is posted
f. Shiv goes back to item a.

Look familiar??

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 01:50 PM

Yes so why not stop him once and for all?

bren335i · 03-25-2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW THIS!

Yes so why not stop him once and for all?

do you need medication?

You can and will not stop the strongest vendor on this site and the pinnacle leader of N54 tuning from technical debate in his own turf. Stop trying "that guy"

Prozac does wonders.

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 02:01 PM

Wow that says it all. You guys are fools. A pinnacle leader of being an asshole. Strongest vendor? Why dont you tell all the other vendors that! Remember the strength is in numbers you retard!

btw, does shivs dick really taste that good?

NatesGr8 · 03-25-2009, 02:02 PM

I see it as him getting fed up with arguing and having better things to do. I understand this as most of the time i just don't reply and simply comment to myself, "wtf is wrong with poeple?!?" Looks like i'll be going back to that philosophy...

Septro · 03-25-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW THIS!

Wow that says it all. You guys are fools. A pinnacle leader of being an asshole. Strongest vendor? Why dont you tell all the other vendors that! Remember the strength is in numbers you retard!

btw, does shivs dick really taste that good?

You can post your issues, but you ain't helpin the cause with that kinda stuff tho.

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatesGr8

I see it as him getting fed up with arguing and having better things to do. I understand this as most of the time i just don't reply and simply comment to myself, "wtf is wrong with poeple?!?" Looks like i'll be going back to that philosophy...

Dont let the door hit you in the ass fruitcake.

ultimateendz · 03-25-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW THIS!

Dont let the door hit you in the ass fruitcake.

Dude seriously...chill out...just ignore it and leave it alone

BMW THIS! · 03-25-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septro

You can post your issues, but you ain't helpin the cause with that kinda stuff tho.

I guess you failed to see if I gave a shit. I am sick of the bickering. or the trying to one up BMS. Its old.

03-25-2009, 12:47 PM	#69
BMW THIS! Banned 0 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Heres a good one for jpsimon and shiv. Personally my favorite one today. http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/19/tom-hanks-flips-out/
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-25-2009, 01:20 PM	#77
lpphreakx06 Professional Moose Racer 316 Rep 7,509 Posts Drives: SG 335i E92 RIP + 2015 SS M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bellevue, Wa iTrader: (25)	__________________ Visit my blog anytime: http://www.sfpayments.com BMW Dream Team PNW Chapter, member #1 \|HP Autowerks \| AR DESIGN \| BMW PERFORMANCE \| STOP TECH \| Volk Racing\| AMS \| ARKYM
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-25-2009, 01:35 PM	#80
Septro Banned 77 Rep 1,649 Posts Drives: '08 e90 335xi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: C-Bus, OH iTrader: (1)	Good job runningman - now watch his thread participation die on the vine as usual. He's got a modus operandi where it looks like this: a. Someone posts something JB related b. Shiv posts technical yappity-yap (mostly obfuscation, rarely true) c. Folks refute, tell him to get out d. He emo-posts about 'Can't we all be technical?' and 'Show me where I'm wrong' e. Evidence is posted f. Shiv goes back to item a. Look familiar??
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-25-2009, 01:50 PM	#81
BMW THIS! Banned 0 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Yes so why not stop him once and for all?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-25-2009, 02:01 PM	#83
BMW THIS! Banned 0 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Wow that says it all. You guys are fools. A pinnacle leader of being an asshole. Strongest vendor? Why dont you tell all the other vendors that! Remember the strength is in numbers you retard! btw, does shivs dick really taste that good?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-25-2009, 02:02 PM	#84
NatesGr8 Private First Class 3 Rep 164 Posts Drives: 05 Legacy GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	I see it as him getting fed up with arguing and having better things to do. I understand this as most of the time i just don't reply and simply comment to myself, "wtf is wrong with poeple?!?" Looks like i'll be going back to that philosophy... __________________ JPSIMON's personal mechanic
	Appreciate 0 Quote