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      10-20-2009, 05:02 PM   #1
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Labour are at it again, court costs to be paid even if you are innocent!!!

The link says it all

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/de...?storyId=20842
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Let me just make one thing clear.

I fucking hate cunting labour. Fucking Communist wankers.

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This does NOT make sense. If you're innocent you pay?! WTF!
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This country is just so messed up now ........ no wonder people are leaving their own country and emigrating ?

and lets just remind ourselves of what the Government do with the Tax payers money ............


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* Prime Minister Gordon Brown claimed 6,577 in bills for a cleaner, which he shared with his brother. Also claimed for a 150 plumbing bill twice, that was subsequently paid back.

* Jack Straw claimed the full cost of council tax back, despite receiving a 50% discount from his local authority. He repaid the money last summer, shortly after a High Court ruling requiring the receipts to be published. Mr Straw also repaid money he was overpaid for his mortgage.

* Business Secretary Lord Mandelson's claimed for thousands of pounds to improve his constituency home in Hartlepool after announcing his resignation as an MP.

* Communities Secretary Hazel Blears claimed for three different properties in a single year, spending nearly 5,000 of taxpayers' money on furniture in three months.

* Foreign Secretary David Miliband spent hundreds of pounds on gardening at his constituency home.

* Chancellor Alistair Darling changed his official "second home" designation four times in four years.

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* Culture Secretary Andy Burnham, Europe minister Caroline Flint and Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy bought flats – or freehold on properties they already owned – and claiming back stamp duty and other moving costs.
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Let me just make one thing clear.

I fucking hate cunting labour. Fucking Communist wankers.

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me tooo.... petition signed.
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Let me just make one thing clear.

I fucking hate cunting labour. Fucking Communist wankers.

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Petition signed.

This isn't about Party Politics it's about the erosion of a justice system which took hundreds of years to build.

Apparently the Government has been incurring high court costs, where motorists are found innocent. The correct response is to stop bringing faulty prosecutions.

This is a deliberate attempt to dissuade innocent people from defending themselves, by encouraging them to accept wrongly issued fixed penalties.

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It's aimed at those loophole solicitors who defend mega-rich footballers on some obscure technicality. Having dropped the case the slimy lawyer submits his huge expenses.

Whilst it's true the CPS should stop bringing faulty prosecutions these lawyers will always find something if their client is rich enough.

I'm in two minds about it.

(but not about the Labour party. I've wanted them out since May 1997)
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It's aimed at those loophole solicitors who defend mega-rich footballers on some obscure technicality. Having dropped the case the slimy lawyer submits his huge expenses.

Whilst it's true the CPS should stop bringing faulty prosecutions these lawyers will always find something if their client is rich enough.

I'm in two minds about it.

(but not about the Labour party. I've wanted them out since May 1997)
Unfortunately it hurts the normal man more than the footballer.

They should just say that footballers are ALWAYS guilty - thats an equally stupid law, but there are much fewer footballers to sign the petition.

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Signed. Regardless of Labour or not, the principle to charge someone who is innocent is wrong.

Not many signatures though - the word needs to be spread.
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Agreed, I've posted this on every forum I'm a member of. I recommend everyone does the same!
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Who voted them in ? Just have to make they dont get in again that is the only way they listen.
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It's aimed at those loophole solicitors who defend mega-rich footballers on some obscure technicality. Having dropped the case the slimy lawyer submits his huge expenses.

Whilst it's true the CPS should stop bringing faulty prosecutions these lawyers will always find something if their client is rich enough.

I'm in two minds about it.
If the 'loophole' lawyer wins the case, then the defendant is innocent. Thats the end of it.

Innocent until proven guilty is an absolutely fundamental part of english law. If the CPS consider that the risk of losing and incurring costs is significant then they should not bring the case.

A fixed penalty notice for a speeding offence effectively means that the authorities have evidence (which they will only disclose in the event of court action) that a crime has been committed. The defendent is made a conditional offer of a lower sentence (3 points and 60) in return for making an early admission of guilt.

If you are innocent you have no choice but to elect for a court hearing. In doing so you risk greater punishment if found guilty. This latest suggestion would mean that your cost will be non-recoverable.

In reality, this can only mean that innocent people will accept fixed penalty notices. No-one is going to incur 1000 in costs to avoid the payment of a 60 fine - unless their license is at risk.

This would create a hugely unjust system. The good news is it isn't going to happen, because it is clearly a stupid idea.
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Last time I was forced to pay court costs for a speeding offence it was 70. I am sure that figure may well have gone up by now. The speeding fine was 60. Apart from making sure your licence remains points free (which is highly important in a driving job) why would you contest? Sounds like your guilty until you prove innocence but that will still cost you cash!!
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Apart from making sure your licence remains points free (which is highly important in a driving job) why would you contest?
In a just society the answer would be 'because you are innocent!'
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If the 'loophole' lawyer wins the case, then the defendant is innocent. Thats the end of it.

Innocent until proven guilty is an absolutely fundamental part of english law. If the CPS consider that the risk of losing and incurring costs is significant then they should not bring the case.

A fixed penalty notice for a speeding offence effectively means that the authorities have evidence (which they will only disclose in the event of court action) that a crime has been committed. The defendent is made a conditional offer of a lower sentence (3 points and 60) in return for making an early admission of guilt.

If you are innocent you have no choice but to elect for a court hearing. In doing so you risk greater punishment if found guilty. This latest suggestion would mean that your cost will be non-recoverable.

In reality, this can only mean that innocent people will accept fixed penalty notices. No-one is going to incur 1000 in costs to avoid the payment of a 60 fine - unless their license is at risk.

This would create a hugely unjust system. The good news is it isn't going to happen, because it is clearly a stupid idea.
I agree, Its just madnress
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Innocent until proved guilty was a fundamental point of law until it wasn't - that happened ages ago.

There should be no compunction for you to tell the Police who was driving your car if caught by a speed camera, it should be up to them to prove who was. One of the fundamental points of law was that you did not have to say or do anything to incriminate yourself.

In order to make speed cameras viable they simply decided to ignore that fundamental part of law that had been in existence for a few hundred years.
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