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      04-24-2006, 03:09 PM   #45
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Well, until I confirm it, I don't believe 07 E90 330 orders will be taken in June, 06 E90 orders, yes...normal 06 run ends in August and 07 E90 orders will be filled in September for 328/335 models.
Now wait. I was told that 2006 E90 orders END this May.
And, non ordered 2007 E90's will be on the lots in June/July, and that's been going on for years with BMW.
Also, I was told that 2007 E90 orders will be taken starting in June and will be filled on normal production schedules, unless there is a car in the "pipeline" that may be had quicker, which again is like always.

The unavailable until Sept. cars are the new E92 coupes which will be the 328 & 335. I think you may have combined the coupe and sedan info accidently?

I bought my 2003 325i in May of 2003. In June/July of 2003, the 2004 E46's were on the lots.
Also, the E90's have been on BMW lots for a year now and the model year is over in a month. Thus, your info seems at odds with what I'm seeing.
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I seriously doubt that BMW NA would release information about 2007 model year E90 engine changes until mid summer. They are not dumb enough to announce changes that would kill sales. Whenever they change engines some folks that put in orders for the previous model are going to be pissed that they were not told. That's life.

How you can work your lease extension around that is not an easy question. I do not think dealers are going to be willing to extend leases on unannounced models. But it's worth a try...

If Greginaz1 is right about SOP for E90 335, and he usually is, then dealers would not be able to accept build orders in June for it. It seems probable that 2007 will start off without the E90 335, so I doubt you would be able to put an order for one in June. All we can do now is get on waiting lists.
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That does seem a bit odd to have a 3 month lag where no coupes, E46 or E90, are available. But we are going to have to do without a M3 for a while too.

My guess is that your dealer will be happy to work out a deal (extend lease) where you keep your current E46 until you get delivery of the E92. Look at the alternatives; the E92 is worth the wait!
BMWFS will work with me on extending my lease if need be.
I've spoken with them about it. Also, my lease was for 45k miles over 36 months and I only have 37.5k, so I have plenty of mileage to go. They will work my lease if I order a new BMW, no problem.

The problem, and question is; what is the truth about the E90 sedans? There seems to be much fused E92 info along with E90 info. that doesn't make sense.
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I've talked with several dealers and BMW sales people and what you say I haven't heard any of them say.

The BMW sales people I spoke with said I could order a 2006 E90 now and get it 6-8 weeks, or I could order a 2007 E90 in June for
July (earliest delivery). If I go with the 2007 they will work with me and BMW to extend my current lease till my new car comes.

They have also told me that the new coupes will be coming this fall.
So, they have the E92 info, but it's your E90 info that doens't jibe with what the dealers have.

Also, again, there is too much E92 info. being combined with the E90 info that causes confusion. I have no intention of getting a coupe. Thus, I'm trying to follow the E90 sedan info but it seems to get more and more convuluted daily.
I agree that all the info isn't out there...BUT my contact had the 335 coupe info back in late 05...which all came true...this same sheet had 335 sedan info on it so I have no reason to believe it won't come true.

I think your dealer is wrong about taking 07 330 orders and I am checking into it.
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Now wait. I was told that 2006 E90 orders END this May.
And, non ordered 2007 E90's will be on the lots in June/July, and that's been going on for years with BMW.
Also, I was told that 2007 E90 orders will be taken starting in June and will be filled on normal production schedules, unless there is a car in the "pipeline" that may be had quicker, which again is like always.

The unavailable until Sept. cars are the new E92 coupes which will be the 328 & 335. I think you may have combined the coupe and sedan info accidently?

I bought my 2003 325i in May of 2003. In June/July of 2003, the 2004 E46's were on the lots.
Also, the E90's have been on BMW lots for a year now and the model year is over in a month. Thus, your info seems at odds with what I'm seeing.
I believe 'normal' BMW cycles are model year production ending in August, with new model year in September. Are you sure about the 04 E46's? Because I took delivery of my ordered one in late June and it was an 03.

Don't get SOP's and availability messed up. 328/335 coupes SOP in June with 328/335 sedans SOP'ing in September. 6-8 weeks later puts them at the dealer. They are delaying the coupe release though even if the car is built.
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I seriously doubt that BMW NA would release information about 2007 model year E90 engine changes until mid summer. They are not dumb enough to announce changes that would kill sales. Whenever they change engines some folks that put in orders for the previous model are going to be pissed that they were not told. That's life.

How you can work your lease extension around that is not an easy question. I do not think dealers are going to be willing to extend leases on unannounced models. But it's worth a try...
They annonced the E92 coupes while they are still taking orders for the E46 coupes, and those orders are still being taken.
Thus, why would they not announce what is going to happen with the sedans? Either announcement has the potential to change a sale.

As far as "killing" sales, why would that happen?
Car models change normally. The E46 coupe has run it's course and the new coupes have been expected. Those who want a great deal on a ending models get a better deal. That doesn't necessarily kill sales. In fact, it could entice some sales due to better rates, leases, manufacturer to dealer money, etc...

The E92 is an expected changover and no one should be shocked by the change. The question for sedan buyers, like me, is whether or not the "inside info" on these boards is true or speculation.
I simply do not believe BMW would not announce big changes, like those speculated, considering that orders will be taken in the next couple of months.

As fas as working the lease extenstion, that's pretty easy actually if you put in a REAL order. Thus, I can put in an order for a 2007 E90 starting in June, or order a 2006 E90 by the end of May.
That is what I have been told, and that is in contrast to what I have been reading on the BMW websites.
Thus, the confusion.
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I seriously doubt that BMW NA would release information about 2007 model year E90 engine changes until mid summer. They are not dumb enough to announce changes that would kill sales. Whenever they change engines some folks that put in orders for the previous model are going to be pissed that they were not told. That's life.

How you can work your lease extension around that is not an easy question. I do not think dealers are going to be willing to extend leases on unannounced models. But it's worth a try...

If Greginaz1 is right about SOP for E90 335, and he usually is, then dealers would not be able to accept build orders in June for it. It seems probable that 2007 will start off without the E90 335, so I doubt you would be able to put an order for one in June. All we can do now is get on waiting lists.
All you need to extend a lease is proof of deposit on an order with a BMW Center...mine indicates $1000 deposit along with ORDER 335i on it.

I would almost bet $ BMW is building 325's and 330's until German shutdown in August...and 328's and 335's when they open back up.
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I can see accepting 2007 orders in June. And if there are any significant changes, that is when we would be informed. The E92 release is only a month before the end of the scheduled E46 coupe stoppage. So the equivalent time would be in mid summer to tell us about the 2007 E90 models. A month or two or even three is reasonable, but letting the cat out of the bag >6 months before retail availability is not smart.
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They annonced the E92 coupes while they are still taking orders for the E46 coupes, and those orders are still being taken.
Thus, why would they not announce what is going to happen with the sedans? Either announcement has the potential to change a sale.

As far as "killing" sales, why would that happen?
Car models change normally. The E46 coupe has run it's course and the new coupes have been expected. Those who want a great deal on a ending models get a better deal. That doesn't necessarily kill sales. In fact, it could entice some sales due to better rates, leases, manufacturer to dealer money, etc...

The E92 is an expected changover and no one should be shocked by the change. The question for sedan buyers, like me, is whether or not the "inside info" on these boards is true or speculation.
I simply do not believe BMW would not announce big changes, like those speculated, considering that orders will be taken in the next couple of months.

As fas as working the lease extenstion, that's pretty easy actually if you put in a REAL order. Thus, I can put in an order for a 2007 E90 starting in June, or order a 2006 E90 by the end of May.
That is what I have been told, and that is in contrast to what I have been reading on the BMW websites.
Thus, the confusion.
BMW has actually managed this quite well...almost all E46 and M3 coupe slots have been filled...so they will start taking official E92 orders soon...same scenario for the sedan...they will probaby be taking 06 orders until Junish and then start taking official 328/335 orders in that time period to get ready for September production.
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I can see accepting 2007 orders in June. And if there are any significant changes, that is when we would be informed. The E92 release is only a month before the end of the scheduled E46 coupe stoppage. So the equivalent time would be in mid summer to tell us about the 2007 E90 models. A month or two or even three is reasonable, but letting the cat out of the bag >6 months before retail availability is not smart.
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I believe 'normal' BMW cycles are model year production ending in August, with new model year in September. Are you sure about the 04 E46's? Because I took delivery of my ordered one in late June and it was an 03.

Don't get SOP's and availability messed up. 328/335 coupes SOP in June with 328/335 sedans SOP'ing in September. 6-8 weeks later puts them at the dealer. They are delaying the coupe release though even if the car is built.

Example: If you order a 2006 E90 by the end of May, then expect your car in 6-8 weeks, and it can take up to 12.
So, let's say 2 months, that is July from the end of May.
You'll get your ordered 2006 E90 in July of 2006.
If you order your 2007 E90, at the beginning of June then expect your car in 6-8 weeks maybe longer. Let's say 2 months, you'll get your 2007 E90 in August. Those are ordered cars.
The cars that get shipped early as dealer stock will come sooner, thus that's why they are on the lot earlier.

If Sept. is the month to get your "new" 2007 335i, then you should be able to order in July or even June. Thus, if that's true BMW should have announced those changes by now.

I am sure or the '04 models. I remember getting my 2003 325i at the end of May. There were great lease rates because it was the end of the model year. If I wanted to order an '04 E46 I could but the lease rates would be different. Also, I recall '04 E46 on the dealers lot later that summer.
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I can see accepting 2007 orders in June. And if there are any significant changes, that is when we would be informed. The E92 release is only a month before the end of the scheduled E46 coupe stoppage. So the equivalent time would be in mid summer to tell us about the 2007 E90 models. A month or two or even three is reasonable, but letting the cat out of the bag >6 months before retail availability is not smart.
Actually, it is the coupes that are beingn announced early.
By this July, you'll be seeing 2007 E90 sedans on the lots.
The new coupes aren't expected until this fall, thus later than the sedans.

If dealers are taking real orders for 2007 E90's starting in June for July/August delivery, the announcements should have already been made for big changes.
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If Sept. is the month to get your "new" 2007 335i, then you should be able to order in July or even June. Thus, if that's true BMW should have announced those changes by now.
BMW WILL be taking E92 orders in June for September delivery.

The sedan doesn't start production until September so they don't need to take orders in it until around that time period.
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BMW has actually managed this quite well...almost all E46 and M3 coupe slots have been filled...so they will start taking official E92 orders soon...same scenario for the sedan...they will probaby be taking 06 orders until Junish and then start taking official 328/335 orders in that time period to get ready for September production.
The question here is NOT about the coupes.
We know new coupes are coming. This is a new model change over, and we've seen official info on that. So, again, that's not a concern.
Given a 6-8 week production window, it's only obvious that orders should be started around late June/July.
Also, if ordered delivery is expected by Septemeber, then those cars are not Sept. production, they would be June/July/or August production or soon after the order is placed.
If production does not start until September, then the first ordered cars won't show up unitl Oct. or Nov. depending on when in Sept. the order was placed as it takes 6-8 weeks for normal 'order to delivery' time frame

The scenario is NOT the same for the sedans. If it was, BMWNA would have announced that change. There has been no official announcement on that. 2006 E90 sedans orders will be taken until the end of May per all the dealers I've spoken with.

Do you have any official info about the sedans?
Or, maybe where to go look at it?
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So if the 2007 E90 production does not start until sept, will they still be selling 2006s until the 2007s can be delivered in late Oct?
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Actually, it is the coupes that are beingn announced early.
By this July, you'll be seeing 2007 E90 sedans on the lots.
The new coupes aren't expected until this fall, thus later than the sedans.

If dealers are taking real orders for 2007 E90's starting in June for July/August delivery, the announcements should have already been made for big changes.
I respectfully think you are wrong...2007 E90 orders are not being taken...2006 E90 orders are.

E90 328/335 will begin production in September and official ordering will begin sometime in the June/July period.

These are not solely my words if you catch my drift...
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So if the 2007 E90 production does not start until sept, will they still be selling 2006s until the 2007s can be delivered in late Oct?
Yep! This will be inventory management on BMW's part so they will not be making too many 'extras'...BMW does not like to do model end year incentives and I don't think there will be.
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BMW WILL be taking E92 orders in June for September delivery.

The sedan doesn't start production until September so they don't need to take orders in it until around that time period.
Ok, you're confusing yourself.
Thus, we need to keep coupe talk off at this point.

Again, 2006 E90 sedan orders will be taken until May 2006, to be delivered between 6-8 weeks after the order. Thus, your 2006 model will show up around July.
If you order a 2007 E90, which starts June, then you can expect your 2007 in August.

According to your info, 2007 E90 sedans can not be ordered until Sept. 2006 for Nov. 2006 delivery.
However, again, according to the multiple dealers I've talked with 2006 E90 orders end the May 2006.
If no 2007 E90 orders will be taken until Sept. 2006, then there will be 3 months of no 3 series orders. That does not seem possible.

Were there 2006 E90 sedans available in the summer of 2005?
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Ok, you're confusing yourself.
Thus, we need to keep coupe talk off at this point.

Again, 2006 E90 sedan orders will be taken until May 2006, to be delivered between 6-8 weeks after the order. Thus, your 2006 model will show up around July.
If you order a 2007 E90, which starts June, then you can expect your 2007 in August.

According to your info, 2007 E90 sedans can not be ordered until Sept. 2006 for Nov. 2006 delivery.
However, again, according to the multiple dealers I've talked with 2006 E90 orders end the May 2006.
If no 2007 E90 orders will be taken until Sept. 2006, then there will be 3 months of no 3 series orders. That does not seem possible.

Were there 2006 E90 sedans available in the summer of 2005?
Actually you are confusing me!

I dispute your 06 and 07 E90 order info...I have just been told the current E90 will still be built in June...I have also been retold the E90 335 will start production in September with July ordering.
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I respectfully think you are wrong...2007 E90 orders are not being taken...2006 E90 orders are.

E90 328/335 will begin production in September and official ordering will begin sometime in the June/July period.

These are not solely my words if you catch my drift...
I did NOT say 2007 E90 orders are being taken now, thus I can't be wrong on that as I didn't say it.
I said, 2006 E90 orders will be taken until May.
Then, in June 2007 E90 orders will be taken for the same 325/330i models, except they will be 2007 model years.

Again, you say that 2007 E90 orders will start in June, great, you are now in agreement about that. However, now you are saying that
2007 E90 orders will be taken in June for September delivery or a 328/335i models. That is 3 months. If that is true, then the dealers should already know about this as that is a little over a month away until the 2007 model year orders. The dealers are NOT saying this. They still have 325/330i models.
Thus, your source and the dealers do not jibe.
I don't see why BMW has not made the dealers aware of this big change if it is indeed coming?
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Wow, a 1 1/2 year run for the 2006 E90, from May 2005 until Oct 2006. I bet they shift to the 323/328 2007 for Sept, and tell us to wait until Nov for the 335. Hence we can order a 328 2007 in late June for Sept delivery. And order a 335 2007 in Sept for a Nov delivery.
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