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      11-13-2016, 01:16 PM   #1
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hi all, Ive noticed some play in the lower ball joints of my 5 series. while it doesnt really affect driveability, i know i will have to replace them sooner or later. does it make any sense to replace just the lower ball joints, or should i just go ahead and replace the control arms as well? thanks in advance
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hi all, Ive noticed some play in the lower ball joints of my 5 series. while it doesnt really affect driveability, i know i will have to replace them sooner or later. does it make any sense to replace just the lower ball joints, or should i just go ahead and replace the control arms as well? thanks in advance
I guess it all depends on how many miles you have and what your goals are..
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@6IX-F10-N52 Why did start two separate threads on the same issue?
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I guess it all depends on how many miles you have and what your goals are..
I currently have 67,000 miles.. for now, since its not affecting driveability I guess i will save this fix for later. does it make sense to change just ball joints? i dont see any point in changing control arms if my current ones are fine, whether the labour is the same or not..
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I guess it all depends on how many miles you have and what your goals are..
I currently have 67,000 miles.. for now, since its not affecting driveability I guess i will save this fix for later. does it make sense to change just ball joints? i dont see any point in changing control arms if my current ones are fine, whether the labour is the same or not..
If you are talking about the ball joints on the rear axel of the car that connect below, on the front of the hub, I'd get them done, if they are creaking or making noise.

Usually it's the just one, but when one goes, the other follows. If it were me, I'd do the bushings that connect the large control arm to the subframe, which have special toe bolts. That way all 4 connections to the large control arms are done.

Basically, the ball joints connect the large control arm in the front and there is a bushing with a special toe bolt that connects the rear of control arm to the subframe. The bushings with the special toe bolt have been known to go in e90's.
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If you are talking about the ball joints on the rear axel of the car that connect below, on the front of the hub, I'd get them done, if they are creaking or making noise.

Usually it's the just one, but when one goes, the other follows. If it were me, I'd do the bushings that connect the large control arm to the subframe, which have special toe bolts. That way all 4 connections to the large control arms are done.

Basically, the ball joints connect the large control arm in the front and there is a bushing with a special toe bolt that connects the rear of control arm to the subframe. The bushings with the special toe bolt have been known to go in e90's.
its actually the front lower ball joints the need to be replaced soon. i will be changing both. what bushings do you recommend i go with? i want something sporty, but nothing that will ruin the ride. car is a 2011 f10 528i. thanks!
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If you are talking about the ball joints on the rear axel of the car that connect below, on the front of the hub, I'd get them done, if they are creaking or making noise.

Usually it's the just one, but when one goes, the other follows. If it were me, I'd do the bushings that connect the large control arm to the subframe, which have special toe bolts. That way all 4 connections to the large control arms are done.

Basically, the ball joints connect the large control arm in the front and there is a bushing with a special toe bolt that connects the rear of control arm to the subframe. The bushings with the special toe bolt have been known to go in e90's.
its actually the front lower ball joints the need to be replaced soon. i will be changing both. what bushings do you recommend i go with? i want something sporty, but nothing that will ruin the ride. car is a 2011 f10 528i. thanks!
You have three ball joints in the front on each hub. Two of them are connected to control arms and one is connected to a tie rod.

So, you need to figure out if it's a tie rod or a control arm.

If it's a control arm then, I'd just replace all 4 control arms to be honest. If it's a tie rod, just replace both tie rods.

At 67k, that's what I'd do.

http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/F1...se/front_axle/

https://www.fcpeuro.com/BMW-parts/52...53&m=20&page=1

On a 5 series, you won't be able to get M3 control arms like you can on an e90.

You can save money by getting Lemforder vs BMW. Lemforder is the OEM provider.
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I'm going to be replacing the arms in my wife's 335 this winter as it has a bit of a shudder under breaking. It has 105k mileage and definitely getting new struts, shocks, tie rods and what not to tighten it up a bit.
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I'm going to be replacing the arms in my wife's 335 this winter as it has a bit of a shudder under breaking. It has 105k mileage and definitely getting new struts, shocks, tie rods and what not to tighten it up a bit.
I would inspect each part and ensure you replace only what needs to be changed. make sure you also change bushings. also.. she has a 335i. does she need this power lol? im sure a 328i would be more then sufficient?
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@6IX-F10-N52 Not only that you are poluting the suspension section by starting separate threads on same issue but you are sexist too! She might be a way better driver than yourself for whom even 518i would have been more than enough.
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@6IX-F10-N52 Not only that you are poluting the suspension section by starting separate threads on same issue but you are sexist too! She might be a way better driver than yourself for whom even 518i would have been more than enough.
you're still mad that i made two posts for the same issue? how am i being sexist by mentioning that a 328i is a more reliable, efficient choice for someone who I doubt uses all that 35i torque on a day to day basis. then saying that she's probably a better driver because you're offended that i said something that had absolutely nothing to do with you is just plain ridiculous. you enjoy your 335i buddy
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you're still mad that i made two posts for the same issue? how am i being sexist by mentioning that a 328i is a more reliable, efficient choice for someone who I doubt uses all that 35i torque on a day to day basis. then saying that she's probably a better driver because you're offended that i said something that had absolutely nothing to do with you is just plain ridiculous. you enjoy your 335i buddy
Reliable? Efficient? You mention no such things. Instead you used power and sufficient, both implying that @z3papa wife can handle the 335i and 328i would have been enough. If that isn't sexist comment what is? I'm neither mad nor offended, just little irritated from your opinionated attitude.
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Reliable? Efficient? You mention no such things. Instead you used power and sufficient, both implying that @z3papa wife can handle the 335i and 328i would have been enough. If that isn't sexist comment what is? I'm neither mad nor offended, just little irritated from your opinionated attitude.
all im trying to say is that a 328i would be more sufficient for almost anyone you see on the road in a 335i, granny driving it along the speed limit. its not necessary.
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you're still mad that i made two posts for the same issue? how am i being sexist by mentioning that a 328i is a more reliable, efficient choice for someone who I doubt uses all that 35i torque on a day to day basis. then saying that she's probably a better driver because you're offended that i said something that had absolutely nothing to do with you is just plain ridiculous. you enjoy your 335i buddy
A tad confused here, how exactly does one use all that 335i torque on a day to day basis? Seriously asking. Maybe I'm just not driving my 550i right...
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A tad confused here, how exactly does one use all that 335i torque on a day to day basis? Seriously asking. Maybe I'm just not driving my 550i right...
for high performance overtaking and high speed pulls.
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for high performance overtaking and high speed pulls.
You are a moron or a poor troll.
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You are a moron or a poor troll.
Im sorry, what else do you need 300 hp and 300 ft/lb of torque for? dont give me any of that "daily driving" bs, 200 hp is sufficient for daily driving let alone 300.
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for high performance overtaking and high speed pulls.
Seriously? That's a serious answer? Okie dokie, we're done here...
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Im sorry, what else do you need 300 hp and 300 ft/lb of torque for? dont give me any of that "daily driving" bs, 200 hp is sufficient for daily driving let alone 300.
You never said that the power was too much for dailying, you said it was too much for his wife.
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