How many miles on your N54 aftermarket twins?

N54B30A · 11-11-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fmonteiro444

Interesting. What gave you this idea?

A few things, a friend of mine did this on his e39 540, e36 m3 and Tony at VTT tossed the idea around a bit. Also, owning 3 335i's gives you a lot of opportunities to try just about anything. I go through around 1/4 qt of oil every 5-6k but i usually change my oil before then so it works out. My car is at 106k and its been extremely solid.

Lshaw · 08-21-2017, 05:43 PM

Reviving this thread.

I'm in the market for aftermarket snails

Interested in Pure Stage 2 DD, possibly MMP, or VTT Stg 2/2+, RB?, giving up on Frankenturbo. Lol

Chris@VargasTurboTech · 08-22-2017, 09:30 PM

I bought my 2+'s back years before I worked for VTT and they're still on the car with low 30k miles on them. I might do a dissection/article on them once I upgrade to some larger snails. We have a few guys with quite a few miles, the record I think is 50k from some dude with stage 2's, running 20 psi, still going strong. If you size the turbo according to a reasonable life cycle (i.e. don't do what we do on the race car), you can get quite a bit of mileage out of them. Any manufacturing defects aside, the problem is normally poor installation, poor troubleshooting (i.e. don't know how to do boost leak checks), improper maintenance, and of course just spinning the bajezus out of them.

Chris

joeybutts · 08-22-2017, 11:05 PM

My RB classics gave up the ghost a couple months ago...approximately 50-60k miles, 6 years....

dublin14 · 08-25-2017, 09:18 AM

Being new to the N54 platform and looking at all these failed aftermarket turbo issues from RB ect is just sad? Ok the odd guy here and there gets 20-30k but most dont make it that far at all. 10 yrs later and still not a solid reliable twin turbo option ? ST really seems the way to go with the option these days of quick spooling turbos good for 600whp. If you want more ltr the turbo is right there to swap out.

Chefcg1 · 08-25-2017, 04:51 PM

my RB's Im guessing 6 years and 50k plus miles and still going strong with FBO + meth.

big_ed · 08-27-2017, 09:03 AM

VTT stg 2+ @ 26/27 psi.... So far about 15k miles. No issues. Still strong.

Change oil frequently (every 2-3k miles), let car warm up to temp before beating on it and take care of regular maintenance.

frenchie1013 · 08-27-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by big_ed

VTT stg 2+ @ 26/27 psi.... So far about 15k miles. No issues. Still strong.

Change oil frequently (every 2-3k miles), let car warm up to temp before beating on it and take care of regular maintenance.

Those the new vtt?s?

big_ed · 08-27-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by frenchie1013

Those the new vtt?s?

I got them two years ago so I think not.

Chris@VargasTurboTech · 08-27-2017, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by big_ed

VTT stg 2+ @ 26/27 psi.... So far about 15k miles. No issues. Still strong.

Change oil frequently (every 2-3k miles), let car warm up to temp before beating on it and take care of regular maintenance.

We love seeing this. Install is huge. For the love of all that is beautiful do a boost leak check with at least target boost. Maintenance is huge. Being kind to your old girl when you work her hard is huge. Warm her up, cool her down. Basic stuff. Also... like I told someone who was asking me about built motors, if something feels funny get off of the pedal on the right. Do all these things and they tend to last a long time.

Drive them hard!

Chris

F30-3'ER · 08-28-2017, 05:06 AM

Yup, was VERY tempted to go with upgraded turbos. Read up on the aftermarket scene last year, and came to the conclusion that for me, OEM is the best bet. OEM's have proven to be the most reliable. For some, the cost of the twins, and install is not a big deal. But being a DD, wife, kids, mortgage etc..OEM works best.

Maniac0908 · 08-28-2017, 04:51 PM

There has got to be a reliable option that isnt stock. Stocks rattle within 1k miles. Im looking for an upgrade as well.

Chris@VargasTurboTech · 08-28-2017, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac0908

There has got to be a reliable option that isnt stock. Stocks rattle within 1k miles. Im looking for an upgrade as well.

If you mean the flapper valve rattling on the housing... that's any N54 designed turbo, unless you change wastegate position via tune (JB4 and MHD can do that) to hold the valve a little further off of the housing. Rattling because of wear in the wastegate assy itself is mostly a thing of the past now.

Chris

rismo · 08-28-2017, 05:19 PM

RB classics. FBO + Meth 19 PSI +80K miles, a little smoking now and then.
Visual inspection when I removed them did not show a potential cause.

Refurbished because of upgrade to new generation RB.

Plaster · 09-07-2017, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LOVE4THEEE92COUPE

Yup, was VERY tempted to go with upgraded turbos. Read up on the aftermarket scene last year, and came to the conclusion that for me, OEM is the best bet. OEM's have proven to be the most reliable. For some, the cost of the twins, and install is not a big deal. But being a DD, wife, kids, mortgage etc..OEM works best.

So, what, go with OEM BMW for $3,200 or Mitsubishi for $1,600?

09-07-2017, 04:48 PM

No need to pay the BMW tax yo.

F30-3'ER · 09-13-2017, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Plaster

So, what, go with OEM BMW for $3,200 or Mitsubishi for $1,600?

OEM for $3200? Where? No way they cost that much. Even here in Toronto, Canada where we get (pardon the expression) "RAPED" for the cost of parts compared to our friendly neighbors down south, would OEM turbos cost that much. Last I checked (early last year) they were $2000 CAD at the dealership, and if you join the local "BMWTRUENORTH" car club and present your membership card when you order the turbos, you get an addtional 10% off! at select BMW dealerships.

Plaster · 09-14-2017, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LOVE4THEEE92COUPE

OEM for $3200? Where? No way they cost that much. Even here in Toronto, Canada where we get (pardon the expression) "RAPED" for the cost of parts compared to our friendly neighbors down south, would OEM turbos cost that much. Last I checked (early last year) they were $2000 CAD at the dealership, and if you join the local "BMWTRUENORTH" car club and present your membership card when you order the turbos, you get an addtional 10% off! at select BMW dealerships.

Little company called ECS, unless I'm misunderstanding OEM BMW.
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...5764928990kt2/

F30-3'ER · 09-20-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Plaster

Little company called ECS, unless I'm misunderstanding OEM BMW.
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...5764928990kt2/

Wow.....I am totally shocked bro. I had no idea ECS tuning sells them for that much.....smh. Its actually cheaper here in Toronto. They are $1200 a pair without the install kit. I see your point.

arhoads335i · 09-21-2017, 07:06 AM

0 miles on my n54 Pure stage 1s picking it up today

09-21-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LOVE4THEEE92COUPE

Wow.....I am totally shocked bro. I had no idea ECS tuning sells them for that much.....smh. Its actually cheaper here in Toronto. They are $1200 a pair without the install kit. I see your point.

It's been discussed a 1000x

Just like with anything else, the OEM parts are much cheaper than the OE versions:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assemble...65764928990kt/

chiefsotos · 10-05-2017, 01:33 PM

So what is the best choice for someone that wants to upgrade turbos and have the best mileage lasting? Hybrid turbos or single?

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Chris@VargasTurboTech Lieutenant Colonel 1932 Rep 1,532 Posts Drives: All Things TurboCharged Join Date: May 2016 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	I bought my 2+'s back years before I worked for VTT and they're still on the car with low 30k miles on them. I might do a dissection/article on them once I upgrade to some larger snails. We have a few guys with quite a few miles, the record I think is 50k from some dude with stage 2's, running 20 psi, still going strong. If you size the turbo according to a reasonable life cycle (i.e. don't do what we do on the race car), you can get quite a bit of mileage out of them. Any manufacturing defects aside, the problem is normally poor installation, poor troubleshooting (i.e. don't know how to do boost leak checks), improper maintenance, and of course just spinning the bajezus out of them. Chris
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dublin14 Banned 148 Rep 388 Posts Drives: Bmw 335i- F150 FX4- Audi A4 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Toronto-Canada iTrader: (0)	Being new to the N54 platform and looking at all these failed aftermarket turbo issues from RB ect is just sad? Ok the odd guy here and there gets 20-30k but most dont make it that far at all. 10 yrs later and still not a solid reliable twin turbo option ? ST really seems the way to go with the option these days of quick spooling turbos good for 600whp. If you want more ltr the turbo is right there to swap out. Last edited by dublin14; 08-28-2017 at 07:01 AM..
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big_ed Lieutenant 143 Rep 517 Posts Drives: e93 335i Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	VTT stg 2+ @ 26/27 psi.... So far about 15k miles. No issues. Still strong. Change oil frequently (every 2-3k miles), let car warm up to temp before beating on it and take care of regular maintenance.
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rismo Captain 75 Rep 911 Posts Drives: BMW E92 335 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	RB classics. FBO + Meth 19 PSI +80K miles, a little smoking now and then. Visual inspection when I removed them did not show a potential cause. Refurbished because of upgrade to new generation RB. __________________ BMW 335 E92 09 - Full options - DKG - MHD by Buraq - RB Next Gen - RB Inlets/Outlet - Forge Diverter Valves - AR Catless DP - Afe Intake - Helix IC - FuelIT Stage 2 LPFP - Ar Oil Cooler - PPK Water Cooler - M3 Suspension - JRZ RS1 Shocks - Eibach Pro Springs - Drexler LSD - BMW IS Exhaust - Carbon Endurance Brake Pads - Stainless Steel Brake Lines - M101 Wheels - Michelin PS2 - M-Tech Body - M-Strutbar BMW M550i G30 2019 - BM3
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chiefsotos Second Lieutenant 41 Rep 298 Posts Drives: BMW 335 E93 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greece iTrader: (0)	So what is the best choice for someone that wants to upgrade turbos and have the best mileage lasting? Hybrid turbos or single?
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