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[BHairsto]

Has anyone with DPEs on a lowered E90 experienced rubbing on the rears with an 'oversized' 265 and resolved the problem by switching to a 'standard' 265? I just had DPE GT7s/Eagle F1s installed on my car and the rears rub on just about every turn and over bumps. I am also running PSS9s. I had the plastic trim pushed back inside my rear fenders, and raised the car up some from its previous setting, but the rear tires still rub. The rear wheels currently stick out past the fenders, but DPE and the vendor claim that the rubbing is the result of me using an oversized tire, and that my problem will be resolved by switching to another tire brand. I am skeptical, not to mention the fact that I think the rear offset so aggressive that it's visually unappealing. I also find it unreasonable for DPE to expect customers to cherry pick specific tire brands within a nominal size without advising their customers of this in advance.

I plan to post some pictures later. If anyone has successfully addressed the same problem by switching tire brands, I would appreciate any information you can give, and possibly photos of your setup so that I can see how your rear wheels are aligned in comparison to your fenders.

I am not gaining much traction with DPE in terms of returning the wheels to get some with offsets that will work for me--they have offered to measure them and correct them if they are out of spec, but if I send them back and DPE determines that the offset is true to their spec, I have to pay for shipping both ways. Given the history I have had with these wheels (the wheels took almost 10 weeks to arrive; the finish was not true to the advertised color [I was advised of this when I called DPE to check on the status of the wheels, and I decided to accept the wheels so I could get them on the car before fall]; the wheels arrived with some minor scuffing and blemishes on the lips; I was told the wheels would ship "tomorrow" and then I had to remind DPE to ship the wheels a week after "tomorrow"), I don't trust that I will get a fair assessment of the offset if I send the wheels back. The wheels may end up being for sale if someone likes the offset and thinks they can get the rear wheels to work satisfactorily on their car.

Sorry for rambling. I just want to get some feedback before I consider risking buying another set of tires. Thanks for any input! BTW, I refuse to roll my fenders, so please don't advise me to do that

[VMRWheels]

What are the offsets of the wheels? Have you tried adjusting your camber in the rear to get the top edge of the tire inside the fender?

[Tropicool]

weird, im running 275 on my coupe which has +5mm less room than the e90 and im not rubbing at all. Toyo tires are known to be more rounded- some tires are more square shaped.

try some toyos and maybe some negative camber

[montreal_bimmer]

you can try toyos or falken tires.... they are more rounded around the corners...

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by VMRWheels

What are the offsets of the wheels? Have you tried adjusting your camber in the rear to get the top edge of the tire inside the fender?

I'm not supposed to say because DPE's offsets are proprietary. I will say that the rears are 19x10 and the offsets are alleged to be some number greater than +30 -- I don't believe it. There is already some degree of negative camber, but I don't want to be excessive with it and wear my tires out prematurely. I am going to post some photos as soon as I get them hosted.

[BHairsto]

These were taken at the shop to show DPE that the rim is actually slightly beyond the fender--it actually looks worse in person, and I don't know if the pictures really capture the relative spacing of the fenders and lips well enough. Anyone who has seen a 265 stretched on a 10" rim knows that the rim is not covered by the tire, but DPE maintains that all the pictures show is that the tire sticks out too far. The installer/shop manager even thinks the offset is too aggressive regardless of the tire choice, and he has no stake in this because I didn't buy the tires from his shop. Maybe we're both crazy and DPE is right I've had several unpleasant exchanges (on my end) with DPE mainly because I'm p*ssed that they would make an offset so sensitive to tire brands without informing the customer, if this is in fact the correct offset. Let me know what you think. Thanks again to all who have contributed.

[e92man]

wow that looks kinda aggresive. i am on a 35 offset on my coupe with a 10inch wheel and a 275 and it is fairly tucked in

[longtran]

roll your fenders. i bet its only rubbing a lil bit. you rear wheels looks like they do not have any negative camber at all. was it adjusted to zero? im sure if you roll your fenders you should be ok.

[StylePoints]

Originally Posted by longtran

roll your fenders. i bet its only rubbing a lil bit. you rear wheels looks like they do not have any negative camber at all. was it adjusted to zero? im sure if you roll your fenders you should be ok.

Um if you are slammed on the rear it is almost impossible to have zero camber. The best I could get it was -2.5 in the rear.

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by longtran

roll your fenders. i bet its only rubbing a lil bit. you rear wheels looks like they do not have any negative camber at all. was it adjusted to zero? im sure if you roll your fenders you should be ok.

Thanks, but I said in my initial post that I am not willing to roll my fenders. I'm not risking paint damage (no matter how unlikely) to accommodate wheels. I should not have to alter the structure of my car to fit a product that is supposedly custom made to fit. They are rubbing on nearly every turn at speed and over every bump with no one in the back and nothing in the trunk--that's more than 'a little bit' to me. In person, it certainly appears to have some negative camber and the alignment was done within factory specs, but I'm not going to run some insane degree of negative camber that's going to prematurely cup the tires.

[all8up]

The last two pictures show the lip of the rim outside the fender of the car and from the looks of it, it is about .25"-.5".
With that said, I do not think you should roll your fenders or dial in negative camber since you purchased a custom wheel that is supposed to fit without any issue. Additionally, if I were to take a guess, the rear wheels look like they are an E46 M3 fitment. Unforuntately it looks like Iforged is not the only brand with QA issues. Considering the steep cost of admission with DPE; I really hope they resolve this for you.

[remmib]

When the wheels sticks out passed the fenders like yours does, the offset are just wrong and too aggresive.

[creativeautoworks]

Since it looks like your stick with the rims, you should ask DPE if they are willing to shave the back pad slightly, maybe 3mm to give it a less aggressive offset.

when you ordered your rims, did you ask for an aggressive setup?

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by creativeautoworks

Since it looks like your stick with the rims, you should ask DPE if they are willing to shave the back pad slightly, maybe 3mm to give it a less aggressive offset.

when you ordered your rims, did you ask for an aggressive setup?

I did not ask for an aggressive offset. I did tell them the car would be lowered and to consider that when making the wheels. They recently agreed to allow my shop to measure the offset and to correct the wheels if they are out of spec. We'll see what happens.

[Buschy]

[mean335]

I had this same problem on my old e46. JLevi sent me an M3 offset of wheels.. so the back (when I was running 265) was rubbing on turns and little bumps. Then then corrected the problem. I was also running eagle F1's, great tires.

[brokemywallet]

yeah, those offsets do not look right at all. I would definitely get dpe to do something, because "visually" speaking they should not be sticking out past the fender (unless you wanted it that way, which it seems like you did not).

you shouldn't have to be doing all the leg work for their mistake. did you email them the pictures??

[ALPINE6SPD]

I will give you the advice that everyone here gives if a dealsership makes the same sort of mistake. Demand all you money plus extra because they messed up and you spent money getting them mounted an balanced. I would also contact who I bought them from and demand they handle this like you would expect just like if you bought an OEM part that did not fit you would expect the dealership to fix the problem not you. You should demand the same thing from the vendor who made a lot of money on you.

I also can not believe the rim was not the right color and scuffed when you got it. What are they morons at DPE? Top quality my ass. It seems DPE and I-Forged both really fuck their own customers which is crazy. I hope you get it fixed man and I would refuse to roll my fenders for their mistake.

[Vegas_Sirk]

Offset looks killer IMO ... but it seems you dont like aggressive fitment. any chance we can see some side shots ... I know its little off topic but the wheels look hot. Also I agree with Long looks like no camber in the rear and rolling fenders would be the easiest fix. Rolling fenders isnt as big as a deal as you might think as any wheel shop that does it should be able to do it without any paint damage what so ever.

[picus]

You may want to do a 4 wheel alignment and make sure you've got a little negative camber first. Just a thought; my car's an e92 so I can't comment on the e90 issue you're having, but my DPEs are similarly fit without rubbing. 2.8 degree negative camber.

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by picus

You may want to do a 4 wheel alignment and make sure you've got a little negative camber first. Just a thought; my car's an e92 so I can't comment on the e90 issue you're having, but my DPEs are similarly fit without rubbing. 2.8 degree negative camber.

I have the stock wheels back on now--there is plenty of negative camber-easy to swee with the stock wheels on. I was told mine is set at -2.8.

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by M3This

Offset looks killer IMO ... but it seems you dont like aggressive fitment. any chance we can see some side shots ... I know its little off topic but the wheels look hot. Also I agree with Long looks like no camber in the rear and rolling fenders would be the easiest fix. Rolling fenders isnt as big as a deal as you might think as any wheel shop that does it should be able to do it without any paint damage what so ever.

Thanks for the input. I do like agressive fitments, as long as they don't rub. If it rubs or requires running insane camber, it's beyond agressive--it's an improper fitment IMO. It really doesn't matter to me that a wheel shop SHOULD be able to roll the fenders with no issues. I'm not taking the chance, nor should I have to alter the car--the wheels are supposed to fit as is. This is more of a matter of principle to me than anything else. Unfortunately, I won't have any side shots b/c the wheels are already off waiting for DPE to calculate the offsets based on the shop's measurements. My camber is set at -2.8 degrees--it's very easy to see now that i have the stockers back on.