[bronco]

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

If you guys get a list I can ask the US distributor what he can do.. But keep in mind like me the US distributor is just an enthusiast and he doesnt make much $$$ on each set so dropping the price $150 might be a little much. Basically he just makes it easier so we dont have to wire money to Europe and wait 3 months for something to come.

Yeah, $150 is a little too much, but I will settle for final out the door price of $550.00 How many we need to gather to get that price???

Here is the list for a Group Buy:

1) Bronco
2) Bronco's Wife
3) e92law
4) ...empty...
5) ...empty...
6) ...empty...
7) ...empty...
8) ...empty...
9) ...empty...
10)...empty...

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by bronco

I dont understand what you are trying to say???

I said that this product was on my radar, and the only thing that was stopping me from buying it, was the fact that so far I have not seen anyone's personal experience or review, and the OP filled that gap buy doing his review and testing...

Oh, I get you now. My bad bro....I missunderstood.

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by normtrum

Andrew has done extensive testing on this.....that's what this thread is about. Or maybe you mean from another professionsal independent testing company, not sure.

I've actually been patiently waiting for Andrew to test this for some time, and I'm very satisfied with what he has come up with. He wasn't able to test until recently simply because he was on the waiting list for some time. I'm one of the many people currently on the waiting list right now.

Unfortunately the wait is going to be a little long but worth it.. The first 60 units that came to the USA had some issue with the heads connecting to the main box, so all the newer version units (which I have) that are bound for the US are being allocated to replace the first 60 boxes. I think so far like 47/60 have been replaced.


I will try and contact the US distributor and see how many he needs for a group buy if he can do one at all since the product has very very high demand, like I said I had to wait a few months.

[bronco]

+1 OK Thanks

[AoshichanX]

to the OP:

Your knowledge and experience are intriguing. Could you possibly provide some background info about yourself?

[bullmrkt]

Well I was going well over the speed limit on several occasions, my K40's laser jamming tone and light alarms went off every time and nothing ever happened, just buzzed right by. On the most recent occasion I was the only car on the road... I admit I'm not finding many good reviews about the K40's laser jamming ability but then I can't explain my own experiences. At least the system is strong in it's radar detecting abilities, I love how concealed the system is, and the bluetooth. Here are the radar reviews...
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/11/15/k...aims-verified/
http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/k40_...tection_system

How much is the LI system? I must have a good laser system installed! I just can't believe I've been THAT lucky all those times...?

[david1026]

Just to clear up the whole illegal aspect of it, as a law student in Nebraska with two lawyers for parents, we all looked up the applicable statute, and the applicable statutes only pertain to radar jamming, it specifically mentions electromagnetic only, so anyone else in Nebraska is safe. If anyone is seriously fretting over it, PM me with your state and I'll pull the statutes out from WestLaw. For reference that I'm not blowing smoke - here:
Sections 60-6,274 to 60-6,277:

(1) Radar transmission device shall mean any mechanism designed to interfere with the reception of radio microwaves in the electromagnetic spectrum, which microwaves, commonly referred to as radar, are employed by law enforcement officials to measure the speed of motor vehicles; (emphasis mine)

(2) Possession shall mean to have a radar transmission device in a motor vehicle if such device is not (a) disconnected from all power sources and (b) in the rear trunk, which shall include the spare tire compartment, or any other compartment which is not accessible to the driver or any other person in the vehicle while such vehicle is in operation. If no such compartment exists in a vehicle, then such device must be disconnected from all power sources and be placed in a position not readily accessible to the driver or any other person in the vehicle; and

(3) Transceiver shall mean an apparatus contained in a single housing, functioning alternately as a radio transmitter and receiver.

[david1026]

However, by contrast, a laser jammer is exceptionally illegal in say, Oklahoma, as per OK Statute Title 47, Chapter 11-808:
A. As used in this section:

1. "Jammer" means any instrument, device, or equipment designed or intended for use with a vehicle or otherwise to jam or interfere with in any manner a speed measuring device operated by a law enforcement officer in the vicinity; and

2. "Speed measuring device" shall include, but is not limited to, devices commonly known as radar speed meters or laser speed meters.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to use or possess a jammer.

C. It shall be unlawful to manufacture, advertise or offer for sale, sell or otherwise distribute any jammer in this state.

D. This section shall not apply to any person who lawfully possesses a license issued by the Federal Communications Commission for the use of a jammer.

See, in Oklahoma, you'd be screwed....

[bullmrkt]

sucks for oklahoma

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by bullmrkt

Well I was going well over the speed limit on several occasions, my K40's laser jamming tone and light alarms went off every time and nothing ever happened, just buzzed right by. On the most recent occasion I was the only car on the road... I admit I'm not finding many good reviews about the K40's laser jamming ability but then I can't explain my own experiences. At least the system is strong in it's radar detecting abilities, I love how concealed the system is, and the bluetooth. Here are the radar reviews...
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/11/15/k...aims-verified/
http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/k40_...tection_system

How much is the LI system? I must have a good laser system installed! I just can't believe I've been THAT lucky all those times...?

Ok one of them tested the radar aspect.. None of the links tested the lidar jamming aspect. I have a V1 for radar detection which is the undisputed king.

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by AoshichanX

to the OP:

Your knowledge and experience are intriguing. Could you possibly provide some background info about yourself?

Just a college student who is interested in lasers and have probably spent the better half of a year waiting for a good jammer to hit the market aka the LI, I first had the laser park pro system which is also a laser diode based jammer but the performance and reliability on the LPP system was not great. I have talked with members of the guys of lidar along with meeting up several times with a local who has the equipment to test different set ups. Personally he has the LPP system on his truck (4 heads front an 2 heads rear) and the LI on his motor cycle. He also has had system such as the blinder and Escort shifter, and is very knowledgeable and has taught me the most about jammers.

[AndrewAZ]

For the folks worried about legal aspects of this system... First off its not really a "jammer" its a "parking sensor" that happens to at some times interfere with police lidar guns. (when you start up the system it is a working parking sensor)

Second most cops dont know things like this exists.

Third most cops dont think they work at all.

4th if you get shot and jam the gun again slow down to the speed limit flip it off and let him get a speed reading, if you are jamming him to the gun from 700 feet away then hes going to think something is up or his gun is broken since it wont display jam codes.






Group buy update... I talked to the US distributor and he told me to let him know how many and then he would be willing to work on a discount.

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by david1026

Just to clear up the whole illegal aspect of it, as a law student in Nebraska with two lawyers for parents, we all looked up the applicable statute, and the applicable statutes only pertain to radar jamming, it specifically mentions electromagnetic only, so anyone else in Nebraska is safe. If anyone is seriously fretting over it, PM me with your state and I'll pull the statutes out from WestLaw. For reference that I'm not blowing smoke - here:
Sections 60-6,274 to 60-6,277:

(1) Radar transmission device shall mean any mechanism designed to interfere with the reception of radio microwaves in the electromagnetic spectrum, which microwaves, commonly referred to as radar, are employed by law enforcement officials to measure the speed of motor vehicles; (emphasis mine)

(2) Possession shall mean to have a radar transmission device in a motor vehicle if such device is not (a) disconnected from all power sources and (b) in the rear trunk, which shall include the spare tire compartment, or any other compartment which is not accessible to the driver or any other person in the vehicle while such vehicle is in operation. If no such compartment exists in a vehicle, then such device must be disconnected from all power sources and be placed in a position not readily accessible to the driver or any other person in the vehicle; and

(3) Transceiver shall mean an apparatus contained in a single housing, functioning alternately as a radio transmitter and receiver.

If you are a law student you know that any lower level law (i.e. city) cannot overrule a higher level law (i.e. state) So the fact that Nebraska says it's okay, does not make it okay. Laser jammers don't comply with FCC regulations.

Go Cornhuskers!

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by Mattscott

If you are a law student you know that any lower level law (i.e. city) cannot overrule a higher level law (i.e. state) So the fact that Nebraska says it's okay, does not make it okay. Laser jammers don't comply with FCC regulations.

Go Cornhuskers!

Too bad the FCC does not control lasers.. Lasers are controlled by the FDA.


FCC regulations only apply to devices that emit or can emit radio waves, once you get into visible light such as lasers the FDA takes over.

The following states have laws state laws against laser jammers,

Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.


But like I said dont be an idiot and you wont get caught.. I am sure that even in states that are legal the cop could charge you with interfering with bla bla bla..

[AoshichanX]

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

Just a college student who is interested in lasers and have probably spent the better half of a year waiting for a good jammer to hit the market aka the LI, I first had the laser park pro system which is also a laser diode based jammer but the performance and reliability on the LPP system was not great. I have talked with members of the guys of lidar along with meeting up several times with a local who has the equipment to test different set ups. Personally he has the LPP system on his truck (4 heads front an 2 heads rear) and the LI on his motor cycle. He also has had system such as the blinder and Escort shifter, and is very knowledgeable and has taught me the most about jammers.

Thanks for that!

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

Too bad the FCC does not control lasers.. Lasers are controlled by the FDA.


FCC regulations only apply to devices that emit or can emit radio waves, once you get into visible light such as lasers the FDA takes over.

The following states have laws state laws against laser jammers,

Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.


But like I said dont be an idiot and you wont get caught.. I am sure that even in states that are legal the cop could charge you with interfering with bla bla bla..

So you're saying the jammer emits no radio waves?

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by Mattscott

So you're saying the jammer emits no radio waves?

No it does not.. I only emits IR waves at around 904nm since the only transmitting portion is the IR laser diode, which is the same that the lidar guns use. Police laser guns shoot out an IR laser beam not to be confused with radar guns which shoot radio waves..

Granted all are electromagnetic waves, but the FCC regulates radio waves.

Basically a way to think of this is a lidar gun is a flashlight with an invisible beam that pulses, the pulses are used from the reflection object to calculate distance, then several distance measures are taken to thus find time/distance= speed. The jammer sees the pulse of light coming and fires back counter pulses that are stronger and confuse the gun not allowing it to get any distance measurements, the LI is smart enough to know the different pulse rates for the different guns and jams accordingly.

So at night time this would look like a solid flash of light since the pulse rates are soo quick around 100pps-200pps (pulses per second, various by different types of guns) via an IR camera filter which hopefully the next video will show you, the beams of lidar guns vs the beam of the LI.

[bullmrkt]

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

Ok one of them tested the radar aspect.. None of the links tested the lidar jamming aspect. I have a V1 for radar detection which is the undisputed king.

You didn't read my entire post.

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by bullmrkt

You didn't read my entire post.

I did... , JK page 1-2 I listed the price is $650 ish for the 2 head system and for each additional head which you need to buy in pairs making it a quad set up runs a tad over $1k. If I recall right each head is about $250.

[bullmrkt]

Im assuming the other two are for the rear? Hm so 650ish... Hope the GB lowers this. This car is seriously making me poor, good lord.

After looking at your install photos, wouldn't attaching them to the underside of the top of the center front lower intake work nicely? That way it wouldn't be blocked by the kidneys? I already have my front radar mounted behind the right kidney...

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by bullmrkt

Im assuming the other two are for the rear? Hm so 650ish... Hope the GB lowers this. This car is seriously making me poor, good lord.
After looking at your install photos, wouldn't attaching them to the underside of the top of the center front lower intake work nicely? That way it wouldn't be blocked by the kidneys? I already have my front radar mounted behind the right kidney...

Andrew mentioned earlier that the front difussers actually protect the rear as well, so I'm thinking you would only need the 2 up front. He even mentioned that it had such a strong coverage area that it would protect a car driving next to him. Wow!

BTW.....this is one of the best threads I've ever seen.

[bullmrkt]

Originally Posted by normtrum

Andrew mentioned earlier that the front difussers actually protect the rear as well, so I'm thinking you would only need the 2 up front. He even mentioned that it had such a strong coverage area that it would protect a car driving next to him. Wow!

BTW.....this is one of the best threads I've ever seen.

There is a dual head and quad head option, I was asking what the extra pair of the quad head is for. I highly doubt the front diffusers can protect the rear - do you have eyes in the back of your head? JK