noob. Order vs Buy off lot

JeffL · 02-01-2008, 12:35 PM

First hello all. Been looking around for a while, now finally posting. So here is the question and I did search but I didn't seem get the the answers I was looking for. Anyway I see most people order their cars, is this just so you can have exactly what you want or for ED? I have been looking at dealerships around me, in the market for a 335xi coupe, they are readily available at most dealers pretty much configured how I would like, Premium package, Sport package, 18's, navi or no doesn't matter to me and heated seats.

So would you think a better deal could be had for one of these cars sitting on a dealers lot? I'm in no rush as I want the snow to melt before getting one anyway. So I guess I could just order.

You know after reading all this it isn't much of a question. So ahhh...just sayhing HI I guess.

!Xoible · 02-01-2008, 12:36 PM

most likely u'll find black cars with different options. if u like black get it off lot. they will find you the car you want... they'll dealer trade maybe, but they'll get u it

if not order it

!Xoible · 02-01-2008, 12:37 PM

if you want to order do ED for sure. fun, cheaper, nice vacation and you still save money

Spool · 02-01-2008, 12:38 PM

If in no rush then order one exactly the way u want it, cars that's on dealer lot could be sitting there withering the elements and birdshit and such...and likely it was test driven without proper warm up procedure...the wait is not long, esp. if u live in MA...a month and 2 weeks at most to get ur car

nub340 · 02-01-2008, 12:44 PM

Nowadays, as far as I know, no reason. Back in beginning of last year though I HAD to order mine. They simply did not have any 6MT E92 Coupes on any lots because they were selling so fast. I called many dealerships and no one even had a demo for me to test drive so I had to test drive a 6MT Sedan and a 6AT Coupe to get an idea. If they've got what you want on the lot go for it, you may even have more leverage to get a better deal since they're paying for everyday it sits on the lot. Plus when you order, the wait is almost worse then being waterboarded!

Paddy · 02-01-2008, 12:48 PM

I wanted stock E90, with 6MT in Silver. No dealer in so-cal had one in stock so I had to order. When I got the car there was about 5 miles on the odo.
It was a painful wait, though it did give me a lot of time to rethink purchase method. I was initially going to buy w/o financing and ended up leasing. I may be wrong but I think the fact that the car was not a typical dealer lot config and that it was on a 10 week order meant that I had a bit more leverage when negotiating the lease. I ended up with no markup on the MF or on the fees.

JeffL · 02-01-2008, 12:52 PM

wow this place is great. Quick responses. Going looking again now.

stressdoc · 02-01-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mantis

if you want to order do ED for sure. fun, cheaper, nice vacation and you still save money

+1, flights are cheap and short from Boston.

Go here: http://bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/E...y/Default.aspx

And check my ED link below and others in that forum.

Paddy · 02-01-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

+1, flights are cheap and short from Boston.

ED also works well for leasing too. Residual value is a % of US MSRP even though you paid the discounted ED price.

Lassaxi · 02-01-2008, 01:09 PM

It's really up to you. Depending on how motivated the dealer is, you may be able to get a better deal buying a car off the lot than ordering, but that really varies. The only reason to order is if you can't get what you want by buying off the lot, or you want to do ED or PCD. I highly recommend ED, but the choice is really up to you!

Tommy420 · 02-01-2008, 01:17 PM

I ordered for 3 reasons: 1) They didn't have any 08's on the lot, and I wanted an 08 since the 07s would have been automatically depreciated; 2) I wanted to get a car that had all the options I wanted and none of the option I didn't want, especially since I plan on keeping my car for a while; 3) I wasn't in a hurry to get a car.

If you're not in a hurry, I say just order one...y not? There are no drawbacks

Couch · 02-01-2008, 01:22 PM

Order. It's part of the whole BMW buying experience, imo.

KL2DC · 02-01-2008, 01:23 PM

Order one...the waiting and the tracking are rites of passage for many here

Makes the bond stronger

Aside from ED (as suggested) look at opting for the Performance Center Delivery.

aspiring335 · 02-01-2008, 01:35 PM

I would take one off the lot. You'll get a far better deal and with current concerns about the economy many dealers will be more anxious and keen to clear inventory than usual.

Chunga · 02-01-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mantis

if you want to order do ED for sure. fun, cheaper, nice vacation and you still save money

But you are in serius danger to meet chunga in a insane rush on the german autobahn with all lights on. Be carefull - be prepared.

Eazyrock · 02-01-2008, 01:56 PM

Order it.. If your gonna spend that kinda money might as well get everything the way you want it.

BMW F22 · 02-01-2008, 02:04 PM

If would just order it and get exactly what I want. The worst thing you can do is just to buy one off the lot and then later regret it. Then it's really going to cost you a lot more if you want to switch to another car.

swestland · 02-01-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantis

if you want to order do ED for sure. fun, cheaper, nice vacation and you still save money

ED is the only way to go; Picked mine up on June 5 and spent a great eight days in Austria and Germany.
Your missing the boat if you do not take advantage of ED.

anerbe · 02-01-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by swestland

ED is the only way to go; Picked mine up on June 5 and spent a great eight days in Austria and Germany.
Your missing the boat if you do not take advantage of ED.

this is what i'm thinking!

my wife really wanted to go to a trip to europe next year to see all her relatives (she's Italian). I plan to stay a total of 2 weeks in Europe, with part of it in Germany to see coworkers who returned there, and to see her family in Northern Italy.

A question for you ED guys. Since you have MSRP from US, and an MSRP from ED, are you able to bargain down the ED prices as much as the US price? Can I take the US Invoice, and subtract the MSRP differences to get a ED invoice? I just want to avoid the possibility of getting a deal on ED close to its MSRP, when I could have bargained down a US delivery for the same price.

Paddy · 02-01-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anerbe

this is what i'm thinking!

my wife really wanted to go to a trip to europe next year to see all her relatives (she's Italian). I plan to stay a total of 2 weeks in Europe, with part of it in Germany to see coworkers who returned there, and to see her family in Northern Italy.

A question for you ED guys. Since you have MSRP from US, and an MSRP from ED, are you able to bargain down the ED prices as much as the US price? Can I take the US Invoice, and subtract the MSRP differences to get a ED invoice? I just want to avoid the possibility of getting a deal on ED close to its MSRP, when I could have bargained down a US delivery for the same price.

I haven't done ED but am considering it. I believe what you do is look at the "confidential dealer pricing" sticky post in the relevant model forum and get the ED invoice price. You then offer the dealer $X over the invoice price. $1K seeming to be the generally accepted dealer profit. I believe you can also bargain for options at invoice price.

I'm sure others would have more experience in this area, I suggest you post on the ED board.

BMW F22 · 02-01-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paddy

I haven't done ED but am considering it. I believe what you do is look at the "confidential dealer pricing" sticky post in the relevant model forum and get the ED invoice price. You then offer the dealer $X over the invoice price. $1K seeming to be the generally accepted dealer profit. I believe you can also bargain for options at invoice price.

I'm sure others would have more experience in this area, I suggest you post on the ED board.

When pricing out a car for ED, everything is priced at invoice (options, etc.) and then you'd just add $xxxx over invoice for the car.

JeffL · 02-01-2008, 07:34 PM

While I agree the ED would be very cool I have spent quite a bit of time in Europe and while I am sure the whole experience would kick ass I'm really not looking for a vacation right now. I did see and drive a Deep Green Metallic with Saddle brown leather today. Great color combo. Was able to take it for a good hour test drive (was a dealer demo so they didn't care about me putting miles on it). I may look into ordering or the PCD option though, have not heard too much about that. The hunt continues......I just wish winter would hurry up and get the hell out of here.

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JeffL Major 35 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	noob. Order vs Buy off lot First hello all. Been looking around for a while, now finally posting. So here is the question and I did search but I didn't seem get the the answers I was looking for. Anyway I see most people order their cars, is this just so you can have exactly what you want or for ED? I have been looking at dealerships around me, in the market for a 335xi coupe, they are readily available at most dealers pretty much configured how I would like, Premium package, Sport package, 18's, navi or no doesn't matter to me and heated seats. So would you think a better deal could be had for one of these cars sitting on a dealers lot? I'm in no rush as I want the snow to melt before getting one anyway. So I guess I could just order. You know after reading all this it isn't much of a question. So ahhh...just sayhing HI I guess.
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nub340 First Lieutenant 34 Rep 324 Posts Drives: 2009 335i E92 M-Sport 6MT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West L.A. 90066 iTrader: (0)	Nowadays, as far as I know, no reason. Back in beginning of last year though I HAD to order mine. They simply did not have any 6MT E92 Coupes on any lots because they were selling so fast. I called many dealerships and no one even had a demo for me to test drive so I had to test drive a 6MT Sedan and a 6AT Coupe to get an idea. If they've got what you want on the lot go for it, you may even have more leverage to get a better deal since they're paying for everyday it sits on the lot. Plus when you order, the wait is almost worse then being waterboarded! __________________ R135 │ 2009 335i E92 6MT / LeMans Blue / Black Dakota / Gray Poplar └┼┼┤ │ Premium / M-Sport / Nav / HD / PDC .246 │ Heated Seats / iPod+USB / Smartphone Integration
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Paddy Captain 74 Rep 664 Posts Drives: 18' M2, AW Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego iTrader: (1)	I wanted stock E90, with 6MT in Silver. No dealer in so-cal had one in stock so I had to order. When I got the car there was about 5 miles on the odo. It was a painful wait, though it did give me a lot of time to rethink purchase method. I was initially going to buy w/o financing and ended up leasing. I may be wrong but I think the fact that the car was not a typical dealer lot config and that it was on a 10 week order meant that I had a bit more leverage when negotiating the lease. I ended up with no markup on the MF or on the fees.
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JeffL Major 35 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	wow this place is great. Quick responses. Going looking again now.
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Lassaxi Major 10 Rep 1,035 Posts Drives: April ED - E90 328xi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	It's really up to you. Depending on how motivated the dealer is, you may be able to get a better deal buying a car off the lot than ordering, but that really varies. The only reason to order is if you can't get what you want by buying off the lot, or you want to do ED or PCD. I highly recommend ED, but the choice is really up to you! __________________ May 3, '07European Delivery, Redelivered on 6/11/07 - Monaco Blue/Beige, Steptronic, ZPP, ZCW, PDC, iDrive/Navi with RTTI, Logic 7, Xenons, HD Radio
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Tommy420 peace.love.health.happine ss 47 Rep 631 Posts Drives: 2008 335i e92 Montego/Blk lthr Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	I ordered for 3 reasons: 1) They didn't have any 08's on the lot, and I wanted an 08 since the 07s would have been automatically depreciated; 2) I wanted to get a car that had all the options I wanted and none of the option I didn't want, especially since I plan on keeping my car for a while; 3) I wasn't in a hurry to get a car. If you're not in a hurry, I say just order one...y not? There are no drawbacks __________________ 2008 335i e92 Montego blue/black leather, alum brush trim, MT, ZSP, ZPP, nav, ipod/usb, sirius, alum brush e-brake, alum pedals, 35% Madico For pics of my ride, go to www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108628
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Couch Colonel 142 Rep 2,900 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Houston iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 335i [0.00]	Order. It's part of the whole BMW buying experience, imo.
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aspiring335 Lieutenant Colonel 95 Rep 1,614 Posts Drives: 2019 G05 40i Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	I would take one off the lot. You'll get a far better deal and with current concerns about the economy many dealers will be more anxious and keen to clear inventory than usual. __________________ 2019 G05 40i (premium excellence, m-sport, 2VR), Tesla Model S 100D, Nissan Leaf SL Volvo XC90 T8, Subaru Outback, E84 X1 28i, E91 328i xdrive, 6MT, VW Touareg TDI, E90 330i, E46 325iT, MINI Cooper S (all retired)
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Eazyrock Major 31 Rep 1,284 Posts Drives: 08' Helix 335i E93 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jersey City, NJ iTrader: (0)	Order it.. If your gonna spend that kinda money might as well get everything the way you want it. __________________
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BMW F22 Major General 3566 Rep 9,788 Posts Drives: ///M235i Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (8)	If would just order it and get exactly what I want. The worst thing you can do is just to buy one off the lot and then later regret it. Then it's really going to cost you a lot more if you want to switch to another car.
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JeffL Major 35 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	While I agree the ED would be very cool I have spent quite a bit of time in Europe and while I am sure the whole experience would kick ass I'm really not looking for a vacation right now. I did see and drive a Deep Green Metallic with Saddle brown leather today. Great color combo. Was able to take it for a good hour test drive (was a dealer demo so they didn't care about me putting miles on it). I may look into ordering or the PCD option though, have not heard too much about that. The hunt continues......I just wish winter would hurry up and get the hell out of here.
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