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09-21-2012, 04:05 PM | #111 |
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Good question nitehawk and I'd like to add to it. I noticed on M3 E9X suspension conversion kits that the rear upper links and guide rods have a slight bend to them while the Megan camber and trailing arms are straighter.
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10-23-2012, 08:39 PM | #112 |
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I had the bearings in my Rogue toe arms replaced with Aurora spherical bearings at VAC Motorsports (they recommended and did all the research for me). Top quality. VAC put real rod end boots on them that cover the entire end snugly as well, as opposed to the practically worthless ones that came with these. I should be good for a long time.
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I'll PM you. Yes I got alignment too, it makes a big difference in how the car feels.
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10-23-2012, 10:30 PM | #115 |
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Just as an additional point of reference I put in the Ground Control toe links last week. I'll let you know if any clunks/noises begin.
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10-24-2012, 01:21 AM | #116 |
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+1 I'm weighing my options right now about toe arms. I have a brand new set of RE Toe arms that I might get rid of because I don't want to deal with the noise.
Still trying to find more info on the Megan and Ground Control ones.
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10-24-2012, 02:52 AM | #117 |
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Another viable option is to purchase BMW Motorsport Group N bushings from Turner MS and press them into your oe toe arms
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10-24-2012, 08:45 AM | #118 | |
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What we noticed were 2 things... 1) the rear tires on the inside were down to the threads... could be related to the meth and my right foot. 2) The tire was worn incorrectly - my mechanic said I probably had too much toe out - Alignment. My question is, could this be one of my contributing factors in the instability of the car? If I was toe'd out, maybe the car under load was trying to go the direction of the toe and it started to fight itself... just guessing. Anyway, I'll have to get the car aligned and I will have the shop check on the Rogue arms I have for bushing quality.
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The alignment report is a tell-all but based on what you said it definitely sounds like your toe is off in the rear. It shouldn't be a problem getting it back to spec since you have adjustable rear toe arms.
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10-24-2012, 09:45 AM | #120 | |
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I knew from day one those toe links would be a problem thats why I went with the MR arms, no noise, no issues.
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I went last night to AL TECH in Toronto to see Pat. Pat did a full and complete 4 wheel alignment. A PROPER ONE. I had originally taken the car to the dealer to get the 4 wheel done, but I don't think they did a good job. Pat did a before and after report and showed me what was going on with the car before he did it. The car was TOE'd OUT on the 2 rears, TOE'd out on one front and the other was ok. He said when the car would squat on accell, it would accentuate the problem and the car would want to push out to the corners it was toe'd out too. Since both were toe'd out, it was fighting itself as to which way it would go - giving me the indirection that I was feeling. He TOE'd IN both wheels slightly. He said once I nail it, the rears would then come online straight. More importantly, he made both toe settings the same on left and right, so that the car would at least go in a straight line. He fixed the front end alignment too. It showed that I had -2.2 degrees of negative camber from my wishbones and camber plates too... that was cool. The car is FIXED ! It now does track in a straight line. I have only had the car for 1 night, so I will put some miles on and report back. But the rear end wavering all over the place is definitely fixed. I nail the gas, meth kicks in, 19PSI and the car goes where I point it without immediately turning right to keep it straight ! I can't begin to describe my relief ! It was really bugging me. COST: $60 bucks ! SIXTY BUCKS ! It was FREE !! I got $20 off because I mentioned I was a E90 forum member and I heard about him here too ! Pat did say that the alignment on these cars goes out fairly easily and that I should do it again in the spring. I will be getting new summer rubber, so I will definitely be doing that. Plus, I am going to go with a PSS in the spring too... I can't wait. CVC - I'll check it out again in my commute of an hour today and confirm. I have had my rogue arms on for quite some time now, with bad alignment. Pat ddn't say anything was worn out or loose - to address I think your question about longevity of these parts - specifically the rogue arms. I definitely don't feel any slop - car is tight. (using RFT snows - 225/30/17' right now).
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01-04-2013, 10:29 AM | #124 |
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^ I'm glad to hear your car is tracking straight under hard accel. Let's hope that's still the case later this year when you put grippy 265's on the rear.
My issue with the RE toe arms was the spherical joints were making a clunking noise 3 months after install; they did help lateral stability tho
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01-04-2013, 07:40 PM | #125 |
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Great to hear DaFish. Toe out in the rear, ouchie. The dealer obviously didn't care and/or didn't know what they were doing.
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01-08-2014, 11:56 AM | #126 |
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I'd like to and try and revive this thread for anyone trying to improve rear instability under acceleration, and anyone considering upgrading their rear toe arms.
Now that everyone has more miles on their rear toe arms, can you please report back an update? - How are the rear toe arms holding up - Have you sorted your rear instability issues? (via upgraded toe arms, bushing upgrades, or getting a proper alignment) - Are there any new options for rear toe arms not mentioned in this thread? (i.e. such stock style arms with improved style end bushings) Thanks to anyone who can give us an update..... |
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01-08-2014, 12:03 PM | #127 |
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Adjustable Rear Toe Arms
Here are the rear toe arm options that I am aware of:
Rogue - http://www.rogueengineering.com/mm5/...ct_Code=E9X_TA Megan - http://www.meganracing.com/product_d...d=891&catid=54 Ground Control - http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=908/CA=165 GSR - http://www.europeanautosource.com/in...-3-series.html Dinan - http://dinancars.com/product/r280-00...eries&mid=1012 If anyone has more options to add, please reply to this post. Dinan just raised their price for $499 to $549 so I don't think we will be getting any reviews on those....but here is a video where Steve explains the "Toe Steer" effect on the M3. Same principle applies to the 335i, expect that the OEM M3 vs 335i arm configuration is different - Last edited by motuman; 01-08-2014 at 12:22 PM.. |
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01-08-2014, 12:18 PM | #128 | |
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Are there any new rear toe arm's or available bushing/bearing options since you posted this link almost a year and half ago? |
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01-08-2014, 01:15 PM | #129 | |
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I'd avoid any aftermarket toe arm that uses a spherical bearing joint. I've not read one complaint about Megan Racing's toe arms so they'd be my choice from your list.
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02-15-2014, 05:56 PM | #130 |
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Thanks for this !
Im in the process of getting a Quaife LSD installed on my manual 6-speed BMW 135i. I suppose that when I switch from an open 3.08 diff to a LSD 3.46 diff, with increased torque, and load on the diff bushings, I may get too much deflection with the stock ones. Since I also lap my 135i, there might be additional wear and tear to consider too. So perhaps I better jump to a set of solid aftermarket diff bushings, but Im a little bit concerned with NVH, and can help but wonder if this mod is really necessary. I have is a CObb Stage 1 aggressive tune. One day though, I may want to use R compound tires on my 135i, which will only torture the rear end even more. Im now considering getting adjustable toe links. I have M3 subframe bushings, and they helped a lot to remove the rear end wiggle. After reading this entire thread, and it is a nice one, Im convined I need solid and long-lasting rear adjustable toe arms, such as the pretty pink Megan Racing ones :-) For my application, what are your thoughts, would M3 upper rear control arms also help (required or not), what about solid diff bushings (required or not)? Thanks for your feedback...
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^ depends how hard you drive the car, if you nail the throttle a lot, track or DD.
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In the process of replacing my stock open 3.08 final drive to a 3.46 Quaife LSD. Maybe R-compounds in a year or so. Concerned with diff whine entering the cabin though. Can tolerate some noise, but minimal is best.
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