[CarAbuser]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Reading your posts you do seem overly defensive and looking for the worst case scenario then exaggerate further.

If your budget goes as far as a B7 RS4 any 335i wouldn't be anywhere near the "nigh on £500 for tax". Only the very early 335i are £460 with it down to half of the "nigh on £500" at £250 in later models.

If you had seriously considered a 335i that would be information you would know but it wouldn't help you in your weak argument.

He's just putting other people right and defending his point.
The thread was actually about the cost of ownership difference between the two fuel types before people balled in with their pearls of off-topic wisdom.

If anyone is being defensive or attempting to justify their purchase it's the people spouting nonsense about the intangible qualities of their engine choice. Any preference to the sound output and power delivery of an engine is a matter of personal choice and has no place in a discussion about overall running costs.

Even amongst petrol engines you will have split opinion on what a good engine sounds like. Some people are all about a throaty deep engine note, others want a high pitched scream. Then there's the Halfords crew who just want it as loud as possible with lots of induction noise and a dump valve.

[Subzero2003]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Reading your posts you do seem overly defensive and looking for the worst case scenario then exaggerate further.

If your budget goes as far as a B7 RS4 any 335i wouldn't be anywhere near the "nigh on £500 for tax". Only the very early 335i are £460 with it down to half of the "nigh on £500" at £250 in later models.

If you had seriously considered a 335i that would be information you would know but it wouldn't help you in your weak argument.

This links in quite nicely with what i was saying a couple of pages back, and demonstrates my point well.

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I chose a 335D simply to wind up the Petrol boys, which it has done flawlessly for the last 5 years. Something the 335i can't replicate with 335D owners.

My 335D was the most expensive E92 at the time, saving money never entered my head. But, worth every penny for the petrol boy reactions alone.



Ground hog day ....

D.

I can't imagine how you feel when you see a 335i and hear that engine though...

Jokes aside, you say "money didn't even enter your head at the time" - then why did you buy a diesel with less power, much less noise, that was slower and pay more for this!?

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Kerr

If your budget goes as far as a B7 RS4 any 335i wouldn't be anywhere near the "nigh on £500 for tax". Only the very early 335i are £460 with it down to half of the "nigh on £500" at £250 in later models.

If you had seriously considered a 335i that would be information you would know but it wouldn't help you in your weak argument.

Of course, you've also been looking for an E91 335i for the past month... out of interest how many did you find that were in the lower tax bracket?

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by kenno78

Of course, you've also been looking for an E91 335i for the past month... out of interest how many did you find that were in the lower tax bracket?

2008 models are £270 and from 2010 with the N55 it is £250.

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Kerr

2008 models are £270 and from 2010 with the N55 it is £250.

How many have you seen for sale? (Was my question)

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

This links in quite nicely with what i was saying a couple of pages back, and demonstrates my point well.





I can't imagine how you feel when you see a 335i and hear that engine though...

Jokes aside, you say "money didn't even enter your head at the time" - then why did you buy a diesel with less power, much less noise, that was slower and pay more for this!?

Dave3 has made his point on diesels many times before and is entitled to his opinion.

Not sure why he thinks owning a 335d would upset a 335i driver though?

No sure why he would make that comment or the ground dog comment as he only becomes active when a petrol v. Diesel thread is going.

Odd to criticise for something he is always keen to take part in.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

From my reading, this topic is highlighting that when we get down to costs, petrol may not be much more expensive to run than the diesel models.
What does intrigue me is how low mileage users often justify owning a diesel on costs, when that simply is not the case in most examples of cost analysis.
HighlandPete

Good points Pete,with fuel prices as they are now,and with them looking like they'll stay that way,a diesel car is increasingly looking like a bad choice for most,with the exception of those that do probably 25/30k miles per year.

Originally Posted by shrink

Let's face it.. Diesels are all about saving cash, they aren't glamorous, they don't sound nice, they run out of puff about 2000rpm too early, aren't as economical as you'd think when driven enthusiastically, and unless you're doing lots of miles a year, make almost no sense.

Again,like above,some good points,however for those buying the bigger engined diesels (335D etc),it makes no sense to buy one for the economy benefits alone,that would make no sense.

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I even think it has stalled on occasion
HighlandPete

The trouble with Jag drivers is that they think carpet slippers make good driving shoes,I'd tell the BIL to wear proper driving shoes,and leave the pipe at home,those two together will help with both grip and concentration

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I chose a 335D simply to wind up the Petrol boys, which it has done flawlessly for the last 5 years. Something the 335i can't replicate with 335D owners.

D.

Something you've consistently done very well over the yrs Dave





Anyway,it must be quite an embarrassment for most petrol drivers as I pass by in my 363bhp Massey Ferguson,the dust & manure I leave in my wake must be a f*cker to get off the front of their cars!

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by kenno78

How many have you seen for sale? (Was my question)

I don't really pay attention to how many are on sale to be honest.

They are quite a rare car though.

What has how many are on sale got to do with how much the road tax costs?

If there isn't any E91 335i in the price bracket of the compatible RS4 there isn't anything you can do.

[Subzero2003]

Originally Posted by kenno78

Of course, you've also been looking for an E91 335i for the past month... out of interest how many did you find that were in the lower tax bracket?

Any 335i manufactured in the last 5 years is in the lower tax bracket, so i'm guessing there are quite a few to choose from.

That said, we all know 335i sales have decreased massively over the last 5 years, so finding a BMW with a proper, grin inducing engine is harder than ever

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Kerr

I don't really pay attention to how many are on sale to be honest.

They are quite a rare car though.

What has how many are on sale got to do with how much the road tax costs?

If there isn't any E91 335i in the price bracket of the compatible RS4 there isn't anything you can do.

Well there are virtually none for sale. The 335i's that were for sale were all in the higher tax bracket hence my comment about it costing nigh on £500 to tax. If I could have found a later 335i for circa £20k I would have certainly looked at it.

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

Any 335i manufactured in the last 5 years is in the lower tax bracket, so i'm guessing there are quite a few to choose from.

http://bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/bmwauc/result...adm-xx,00.html

BMW National Search. Just 2.

Nothing on Autotrader
Nothing on Pistonheads




BTW. Huge apologies to the OP for a massive hijack.

[Subzero2003]

I've just found 2 on autotrader, can't search PH though.

And considering only around 250 E91 335i's were sold in the UK, over the 5 years, this isn't all that shocking.

To put it into context, about 750 E91 335d's were sold in the same period.

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

I can't imagine how you feel when you see a 335i and hear that engine though...

Jokes aside, you say "money didn't even enter your head at the time" - then why did you buy a diesel with less power, much less noise, that was slower and pay more for this!?

It was very much tongue in cheek.

But I did buy new, it was the most expensve option at the time, and I only do a small mileage each year. Which sort of goes against the grain, where it is often mentioned that people buying Diesels do so for economy.

My 335D sounds nicely baritone, and I wanted a nice relaxed bruiser with massive torque. Part throttle response is very nice, regardless of gear. Now whether it is actually quicker in gear, or as some say it only gives that impression .... it is how I like it.

In all my threads I've praised the 335i. Never had a bad word about it. I like it.

I have a few other cars that fulfill my inner petrol hooligan.

D.

[Kerr]

There is only 4 early E91s on autotrader too.

You can't buy something that isn't available and then twist is to make a pointless argument.

Early E91 335i cost sub £10 going to 14k for the best. RS4 start at £17k.

Your point is comparing apples to oranges and coming up with lemons.

[Subzero2003]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

My 335D sounds nicely baritone, and I wanted a nice relaxed bruiser with massive torque. Part throttle response is very nice, regardless of gear. Now whether it is actually quicker in gear, or as some say it only gives that impression .... it is how I like it.

See, i can kind of understand it when people say this about the 330d/330i or the 325d/325i, as the petrol counterparts need to be revved to get the best from them, but for me, this argument doesn't apply to the 335d/335i because both have turbos and huge amounts of usable torque for when you just want to sit back and relax. However, when the mood takes you and you're on your favourite road, with the sunshine out and your best CD on, the 335i can also play the hooligan too and make you smile ear to ear as you blast up to 7krpm+, which the 335d just can't do.

The only thing the 335d can do appreciably better is get better MPG, but since fuel consumption doesn't bother you due to your low mileage, i can't help but think that the 335d, in your ownership, is wasted and a 335i would have been the better fit. Just my opinion

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I have a few other cars that fulfill my inner petrol hooligan.

ooo do tell!

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Kerr

There is only 4 early E91s on autotrader too.

You can't buy something that isn't available and then twist is to make a pointless argument.

Early E91 335i cost sub £10 going to 14k for the best. RS4 start at £17k.

Your point is comparing apples to oranges and coming up with lemons.

I give up.

Yes Kerr, you're right. I haven't just sold my Caterham R300 to find I had a budget of £20k to look for a family estate.

I didn't bother looking at a 330i, 330d or 335d. I didn't consider the 335i or the RS4.

I must be making all this up for a pointless arguement to compare fruit.

You win.

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

The only thing the 335d can do appreciably better is get better MPG, but since fuel consumption doesn't bother you due to your low mileage, i can't help but think that the 335d, in your ownership, is wasted and a 335i would have been the better fit. Just my opinion

I took both a 335i and a 335D out for a long test drive - for an afternoon each. I then chose the car I prefered. While you enjoy the 7k blast ... I enjoy the low rev, beneath the radar, silent thrust.

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

ooo do tell!

Currently being repaired due to a "lady" who had brain fade :

My MK1 RS2000

And this rebuild is coming along nicely :

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362757 Got a few ideas on a new engine for it.

D.

[Barlows]

I must have one of the last £460 a year tax 57 plate 335i's in the country

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by kenno78

I give up.

Yes Kerr, you're right. I haven't just sold my Caterham R300 to find I had a budget of £20k to look for a family estate.

I didn't bother looking at a 330i, 330d or 335d. I didn't consider the 335i or the RS4.

I must be making all this up for a pointless arguement to compare fruit.

You win.

You made a pointless argument trying to discredit petrol cars skipping out facts to make your diesel choice seem correct.

With a £20k budget you wouldn't be looking at high tax band early models.

There wasn't a valid point to start with other than a E91 335i that matched your criteria wasn't available.

That is all my point is. It has got sod all to do with how many might be for sale but that doesn't suit the original point.

The RS4 is a total different kettle of fish with running costs probably more on par with a BMW M5 than a 3 series.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by kenno78

The 335i is the exception as it's turbocharged. The rest of the e90 petrol range isn't.

Try driving a 320i or 330i then the equivalent diesels.

Point taken but there are low mileage drivers who have contributed to this thread who've said they've chosen a diesel over a 335i because they prefer the way the diesel drives. I'm not saying they're wrong as clearly they're entitled to their opinion; however, I really don't understand what a diesel (330d/335d) offers over a 335i other than lower running costs. There's no performance advantage, inferior refinement, no manual option (at least not with the 335d) and the diesels don't sound as nice. Therefore, economy and road tax apart, what does a diesel offer over the 335i? I'm not out to have a go at anyone but, having had a couple of diesels myself, I'm genuinely curious as to why anyone would prefer driving one to a 335 petrol!

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by SeanCorky

I must have one of the last £460 a year tax 57 plate 335i's in the country

It has been said to countless potential buyers looking for advice on this site, for the sake of a couple of hundred quid a year, if you can't afford the road tax you can't afford to run the car anyways.

If I was buying another 335i at the cross over point, it would be down to what was the best car and deal.

Not a couple of hundred quid a year.

[kenno78]

Originally Posted by Kerr

You made a pointless argument trying to discredit petrol cars skipping out facts to make your diesel choice seem correct.

With a £20k budget you wouldn't be looking at high tax band early models.

There wasn't a valid point to start with other than a E91 335i that matched your criteria wasn't available.

That is all my point is. It has got sod all to do with how many might be for sale but that doesn't suit the original point.

The RS4 is a total different kettle of fish with running costs probably more on par with a BMW M5 than a 3 series.

Wow. You continue? Are you the guy that people try to escape from in the pub as you continue to talk when they're bored of listening to you?