[DnA Diesel]

Originally Posted by Hammerfang

Too bad the 335d does come with a manual. If I were buying a new 335i I would seriously consider the 335d.

I think you mean "doesn't"...

You'd be surprized how many people don't know how to drive a diesel stick decently. Unless you "get" the torque thing, you might very well be disappointed.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by Socom

You wouldn't want it in a manual.

QFT.

The rev range is so low, and the torque comes so early, several things would happen:

1. You'd burn out your clutch inside a week
2. You'd replace your tires within a month
3. Your left leg would be twice the size of your right from having to push the clutch in so often, because the car is SO much fun to drive.

Seriously, the car just makes more sense in an AT (and a class defining AT at that).

[DerekS]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

QFT.

The rev range is so low, and the torque comes so early, several things would happen:

1. You'd burn out your clutch inside a week
2. You'd replace your tires within a month
3. Your left leg would be twice the size of your right from having to push the clutch in so often, because the car is SO much fun to drive.

Seriously, the car just makes more sense in an AT (and a class defining AT at that).

So true !!!

[montr]

I do not agree about the manual transmission and a diesel engine. Every times that I go the Europe (France, the most often), I rent car with diesel engine and manual transmission. Once I had a BMW 5 series with a diesel. I do not know the size of the engine because it did have a badge in the back. I drove the diesel like I drive any other gasoline powered car. You shift gear earlier but not much more often than a gasoline engine. In fact, most car in France are diesel and more than 90% are manual transmission.

I get the BMW 5 series from Avis France. I also rented MB C class diesel from Sixt car rental and it was also a manual transmission.

[Ron1n]

You're not comparing apples to oranges at all. Just because you drove a diesel doesn't mean you drove a diesel with this kind of engine in it.

[montr]

Agree, it was not a dual turbo 335d. But, none the less, all diesel share the same behavior: lot of torque at low RPM and a RPM band that is narrower than a gasoline engine.

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by DerekS

To your comments on hybrids, I would add "environmental time-bomb". The batteries in each and every hybrid cannot be re-cycled due to the presence of toxic heavy metals. The environmentally unfriendly, expended batteries must eventually be stored in secure warehouses.

dude, get your facts straight before you spew that garbage. The 335d is great but don't bash hybrids if you don't know anything about them. From a top gear article reviewing the new Prius:

Originally Posted by Top Gear

Toyota is now careful to stress how much of the Prius can be recycled, including 95 per cent of the battery, how it's using far cleaner energy sources at the factory in Japan and that it now uses quite a few plant-based plastics in the car

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by Buegie

Originally Posted by Top Gear
Toyota is now careful to stress how much of the Prius can be recycled, including 95 per cent of the battery, how it's using far cleaner energy sources at the factory in Japan and that it now uses quite a few plant-based plastics in the car:

Third iteration of the car now, isn't it? How many Prius' are on the road that don't adhere to this 'new' standard?

I'm asking because I don't know, but I do know that there are several out there that do *not* adhere to this standard.

Originally Posted by montr

Agree, it was not a dual turbo 335d. But, none the less, all diesel share the same behavior: lot of torque at low RPM and a RPM band that is narrower than a gasoline engine.

Yes and no. Low end torque isn't 425 lb/ft. of torque....in order to exhibit the same type of behavior, it needs to be a similar (+/- 50lb/ft, I'd say) torque value.

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

Third iteration of the car now, isn't it? How many Prius' are on the road that don't adhere to this 'new' standard?

I'm asking because I don't know, but I do know that there are several out there that do *not* adhere to this standard.

I don't know either, and I doubt you can recycle 95% of the old batteries, but saying that every battery is only good as a paperweight after you take it out of the car is not true.

[Ron1n]

I think his point was, though, that it's well documented what is necessary to dispose of the batteries that come out of Prius', and that is far more harmful than what a gas car does (similar thought processes come into play for the creation of said batteries).

[DerekS]

Originally Posted by Buegie

dude, get your facts straight before you spew that garbage. The 335d is great but don't bash hybrids if you don't know anything about them.

I did some further checking on the re-cycling of Prius batteries. It appears that your comments are much closer to the truth than mine. My comments were based on a report that I have now found to be erroneous. This same report has unfortunately been used as a reference by many auto publications. So, please accept my apologies.

However, Toyota's claims for Prius fuel economy have been shown by many professional testers to be optimistic, especially highway consumption.
In comparison, similar testing of the 335d has indicated that BMW's fuel consumption figures are very conservative - in other words, the real world performance usually exceeds that claimed by the manufacturer.

[DJKhan85]

why can't we get a 335d e92 in america. I don't want 4 doors.

[Ron1n]

Many of us owners agree that an E92 would be very nice (I would have purchased it over the E90 without hesitation).

Once the d really picks up steam in the states, I expect we'll see them bring the E92 over (it may be long enough that it's the F32 instead).

[Goody4]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

Once the d really picks up steam in the states, I expect we'll see them bring the E92 over...

I'd guess this won't happen. It's the worst of both worlds from a European carmaker's perspective: Low-volume coupes + low-volume diesels= no chance in the U.S.

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

I think his point was, though, that it's well documented what is necessary to dispose of the batteries that come out of Prius', and that is far more harmful than what a gas car does (similar thought processes come into play for the creation of said batteries).

yes, that's probably true, but I wanted to point out recycling the battery does offset some of the problem

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by DerekS

I did some further checking on the re-cycling of Prius batteries. It appears that your comments are much closer to the truth than mine. My comments were based on a report that I have now found to be erroneous. This same report has unfortunately been used as a reference by many auto publications. So, please accept my apologies.

However, Toyota's claims for Prius fuel economy have been shown by many professional testers to be optimistic, especially highway consumption.
In comparison, similar testing of the 335d has indicated that BMW's fuel consumption figures are very conservative - in other words, the real world performance usually exceeds that claimed by the manufacturer.

no worries man, I really don't think hybrids are a good solution to the problem but I was just pointing out that at least most of the battery can be recycled. And to add to what you said, IIRC Top Gear did an episode that showed that an M3 could be more fuel efficient than a Prius, it all depends on how you drive it. Driving style is something nobody mentions when they talk about being more fuel efficient.

[Tuce]

Originally Posted by Goody4

I'd guess this won't happen. It's the worst of both worlds from a European carmaker's perspective: Low-volume coupes + low-volume diesels= no chance in the U.S.

Unless the price of gasoline skyrockets, my guess is that 335d sales will taper if/when the Eco Credit finally expires/stops being renewed.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by Buegie

no worries man, I really don't think hybrids are a good solution to the problem but I was just pointing out that at least most of the battery can be recycled. And to add to what you said, IIRC Top Gear did an episode that showed that an M3 could be more fuel efficient than a Prius, it all depends on how you drive it. Driving style is something nobody mentions when they talk about being more fuel efficient.

[Trojan4evr]

I think one fact that we're missing is he fact that the disel engine break in period is long, like 100k miles, which means you can keep the car for ever. I don't think you can say the same thing about Prius. some batteries might go bad after 100,000 miles...

[John 070]

Originally Posted by DnA Diesel

I think you mean "doesn't"...

You'd be surprized how many people don't know how to drive a diesel stick decently. Unless you "get" the torque thing, you might very well be disappointed.

It's been years since I drove a diesel (not mine)--I think it was a Jetta manual.

What I wonder is are they like trucks, i.e. when you release the pedal the motor does not decelerate? I don't remember feeling that effect in the Jetta.....

[John 070]

Originally Posted by Trojan4evr

I think one fact that we're missing is he fact that the disel engine break in period is long, like 100k miles, which means you can keep the car for ever. I don't think you can say the same thing about Prius. some batteries might go bad after 100,000 miles...

The Prius is not about anything really except making a pseudo-green statement and using the car pool lane when you're by yourself......

[Dubbedoutbimmer]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Having my E92 335D for over 3 years, and being a lone voice trying to explain its virtues to Americans - it is great to see that it is catching on. Simply a great blend of power, torque and economy.

D.

are there tunes for the 335d like procede v3 etc... that amount of tq is huge