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[benzo23]

Just because I washed my kia that i know has cheap paint with bleach doesnt mean they should have to replace my car. lol

[SpmnE9zero]

if you wash something with a harsh chemical based agent that shouldnt be washed with it.......... bad things are gonna happen.

use soap and water and your gold!

Painted / cleared wheels are no dif than the side of your car..... you gonna wash your car with simple green? No, so why wash your wheels with it?


Sorry op tough lesson learned, I hope it all gets sorted out for you.

[1ForAll]

Sorry to the OP about your issue. Seriously tho, I can not understand people that use wheel cleaner or any other cleaning products on your wheels. If you wash your wheels on a weekly basis, you will be able to remove brake dust with the same soap/water solution that you use to wash the rest of the car.

Why take shortcuts with a cleaner product? Laziness.... I'd rather spend more time cleaning my wheels than to use a product that potentially screw up my finish. Just my $.02

Best of luck

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by 1ForAll

Sorry to the OP about your issue. Seriously tho, I can not understand people that use wheel cleaner or any other cleaning products on your wheels. If you wash your wheels on a weekly basis, you will be able to remove brake dust with the same soap/water solution that you use to wash the rest of the car.

Why take shortcuts with a cleaner product? Laziness.... I'd rather spend more time cleaning my wheels than to use a product that potentially screw up my finish. Just my $.02

Best of luck

couldnt agree more!
i wash my car once maybe twice a week if it is really bad and never have issues.
better yet, get ceramic brakes and forget about dust all together!

I got Hawks and they are amazing, have cut my brake dust to virtually none!

[Victorious]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

couldnt agree more!
I got Hawks and they are amazing, have cut my brake dust to virtually none!

hmmm, maybe I should upgrade to some Hawks...I'm sick of brake dust

[cssnms]

It is incumbant upon the manufacturer and or the distributer to properly inform the consumer in writing regarding the care and use of the product purchased. According to your previous statement, neither of them provided you with care instructions. As a result, you unknowingly used a product to clean your wheels that was not safe to use on this particular wheel. Had the manufacturer and or distributer provided you with the care/use instructions your wheels would not be damaged. That is your case...

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by ceb

I think the first sentence "When used with caution and according to the instructions, Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner has been safely and successfully used to clean aluminum" should dissuade you from using SG and aluminum.

That said, if a wheel were properly clearcoated and undamaged, then there should be no exposed aluminum on the face of the wheel for the SG to degrade.

My initial post wasn't meant to imply that the SG caused the damage, but that SG isn't the best product to use

Originally Posted by rgpwr

You said "7 month old Miro wheels" and "used [simple green] 2 times on these wheels"...Are you sure the simple green is what's causing the paint to flake? Couldn't brake cleaner, brake dust, something else have caused it also? Just sayin...

NO i am NOT sure i said it is UNLIKLEY that SG is causing it..it IS something else (faulty paint prep? delamination? bad primer? poor finish? ect ect ecT. Im sure it not the SG

Originally Posted by deanmc

I use simple green on my garage floor, but can't imagine even letting that stuff touch my wheels. Only soap/water and a coat of wax each wash. I'm not convinced that Modbaragains should be responsible for this.

I dont know if I'M not emphizing this enough or not.. probably not) but
I DID NOT USE Simple Green regularly, (ONLY 2 times on these wheels)
it was only in contact for less than 30 seconds

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

if you wash something with a harsh chemical based agent that shouldnt be washed with it.......... bad things are gonna happen.
Painted / cleared wheels are no dif than the side of your car..... you gonna wash your car with simple green? No, so why wash your wheels with it?

I dont know if I'M not emphizing this enough or not.. probably not) but
I DID NOT USE Simple Green regularly, (ONLY 2 times on these wheels)
it was only in contact for less than 30 seconds

Sorry op tough lesson learned, I hope it all gets sorted out for you.

Me also thankyou!

Originally Posted by 1ForAll

Sorry to the OP about your issue. Seriously tho, I can not understand people that use wheel cleaner or any other cleaning products on your wheels. If you wash your wheels on a weekly basis, you will be able to remove brake dust with the same soap/water solution that you use to wash the rest of the car.

I dont know if I'M not emphizing this enough or not.. probably not) but
I DID NOT USE Simple Green regularly, (ONLY 2 times on these wheels)
it was only in contact for less than 30 seconds

Best of luck

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

couldnt agree more!
i wash my car once maybe twice a week if it is really bad and never have issues.
better yet, get ceramic brakes and forget about dust all together!

I got Hawks and they are amazing, have cut my brake dust to virtually none!

EXCELLENT IDEA and will likley do this in the future.



I dont know if I'M not emphizing this enough or not.. probably not) but
I DID NOT USE Simple Green regularly, (ONLY 2 times on these wheels)
it was only in contact for less than 30 seconds.. this cleaner is NOT the problem here.. are these wheels even Aluminum??

If I had not even mentioned SG, the retailer/ maker would have said that whatever I used would have caused the problem (true or not) and told me that "its not recommended for use on "these" wheels...
maybe thats why thy have no care instructions on either web page?? (its an OUT for warranty claims? Hmmmm

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by rolling18

I dont know if I'M not emphizing this enough or not.. probably not) but
I DID NOT USE Simple Green regularly, (ONLY 2 times on these wheels)
it was only in contact for less than 30 seconds.. this cleaner is NOT the problem here.. are these wheels even Aluminum??

If I had not even mentioned SG, the retailer/ maker would have said that whatever I used would have caused the problem (true or not) and told me that "its not recommended for use on "these" wheels...
maybe thats why thy have no care instructions on either web page?? (its an OUT for warranty claims? Hmmmm

You are clearly missing my point. I don't give a shit what you used to clean your wheels or if you used anything at all, if the manufacturer and or distributer DID NOT take due care and provide you with care/use instructions IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

Now if you want to be a know-it-all and not listen to what people have to say that's fine. Otherwise, put a cork in it and listen, because maybe, just maybe someone else on here may know a little bit about this kind of thing.

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by cssnms

You are clearly missing my point. I don't give a shit what you used to clean your wheels or if you used anything at all, if the manufacturer and or distributer DID NOT take due care and provide you with care/use instructions IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

Sory bout that, most people keep refrencing the cleaner as beiing the SOLE problem/ cause. Yours was one of the post I TOTALLY AGREE with!

Yes i am listening to all the posts that are NOT refrencing the cleaner.. thats the point exactly, its NOT what I used to clean the wheels ..
so if im not clear thank you for YOUR support
I quoted the wrong text..

[J BONE]

I don't think it was the simple green that made them flake. I have had a total of 10 rims from miro. My first two sets, over 3 years ago, was solid. When I cracked two of them this last year, I ordered new ones. They started to flake about 3 months into having them. Now anyone that knows me, knows how I take care of my wheels. I am completley anal about cleaning them. I seal them twice with jetseal over 48 hours before they ever hit the ground. Soap and water ONLY for me. I am not sure if they are making them cheaper or what but the newer ones sux. Sorry to hear about what happened. I guess my point is that it was not the simple green, IMO, that caused this to happen.

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by hajduk

Doesn't matter what anyone says. You should be able to use cleaners on wheels that you spent $1000 on and not have to worry about having them fall apart after 7 months. I had a ford exploder and cleaned the wheels with anything I had in the house and I did this for 10 years and they looked the same as when I bought it in 2000. Bottom line simple green should not be able to destroy a wheel in 7 months. I'd be pissed too. Op you have every right.

Originally Posted by Wareagle335

I have a similar concern. I bought the same Miro 942 wheel in 18" less than two months ago but noticed a couple of small chips after having them only 3-4 weeks. I only have a couple of small chips, nothing too bad and I dont think they're from cleaning solutions, just small gravel or soemthing. but definitely concerned, the paint seems very thin.

I love the look of the wheels on the car but my concern is that I just threw my money away. I was thinking of eventually having them powder coated but then I hear of stories of them bending easily. If I had it to do over, I would have spent a few hundred more dollars and bought better quality wheels. new buyers beware. considering avant garde next.

**********s should consider giving a 50% discount on repeat customer who bought Miro's in past... just a thought.

Originally Posted by cssnms

It is incumbant upon the manufacturer and or the distributer to properly inform the consumer in writing regarding the care and use of the product purchased. According to your previous statement, neither of them provided you with care instructions. As a result, you unknowingly used a product to clean your wheels that was not safe to use on this particular wheel. Had the manufacturer and or distributer provided you with the care/use instructions your wheels would not be damaged. That is your case...

Well obviously my goal is replacement, BUt i'm fully prepared and willing to go to small claims court.. I still have not heard anything from **********s
they (and MIRO) are aware of this situation.

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by J BONE

I don't think it was the simple green that made them flake. I have had a total of 10 rims from miro. My first two sets, over 3 years ago, was solid. When I cracked two of them this last year, I ordered new ones. They started to flake about 3 months into having them. Now anyone that knows me, knows how I take care of my wheels. I am completley anal about cleaning them. I seal them twice with jetseal over 48 hours before they ever hit the ground. Soap and water ONLY for me. I am not sure if they are making them cheaper or what but the newer ones sux. I didn't agrue with miro because I know they would do nothing about it. Sorry to hear about what happened. I guess my point is that it was not the simple green, IMO, that caused this to happen.

wow thanks for
i get stressed having to re type the same points over and over.. (I SUCK at typing

[J BONE]

Originally Posted by rolling18

Well obviously my goal is replacement, BUt i'm fully prepared and willing to go to small claims court.. I still have not heard anything from **********s
they (and MIRO) are aware of this situation.

I would think Modbargins would step in and help you with this. Just my .02

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by J BONE

I would think Modbargins would step in and help you with this. Just my .02

well, they do "have the right to remain silent" if theres nothing to defend... I'm a patient and fair man, but I will not wait months! heh

[J BONE]

Originally Posted by rolling18

well, they do "have the right to remain silent" if theres nothing to defend... I'm a patient and fair man, but I will not wait months! heh

True. But good customer service should step in soon I would think

[Peter@VMRWheels]

I know the subject of discussion is not VMR related so try to see this as assistance from one enthusiast (with wheel experience) to another. Did these paint flakes appear immediately after the simple green is rinsed off or did they appear slowly during the time you owned the wheels.

Just being the devil' advocate here, chips like that can also be caused by large rocks impacting the spoke at high speed or a paint related issue... so you'd want to add those as the possibilities.

We all know dishwashing soap isn't good to clean cars with (although I've heard of detailers using it to clean off ALL wax prior to a comprehensive detail of the car). Simple Green isn't on the top of my list of solvents that I'd want to spray my car (or a wheel) with, but at the same time its probably not something that will ruin the paint on contact or after two uses.

Either way, hopefully You, Miro and **********s will come to a amicable solution soon.

[TypicalCat]

well you get what you pay for... thats why i dont buy cheep shit for my car. do it right or do it twice!

sorry to hear about your wheels though man...

[DimSum]

get what you pay for. Miro wheels are pretty bad quality IMO.
If my wheels were flaking after 7 months, I would be pretty pissed off too.
I doubt simple green was the problem of your wheels, I think it's because Miro in general are pretty shit.

[FotiosF90M5]

I guess you never know what you'll get with miro's. Ive seen so many threads about the quality and the finish but my experience is completely different. I dont think the finish is great but Im not having any issues other than some minor chipping which IMO is acceptable. I only use soap and water and the have a couple coats of wheel wax on them. They seem to be holding up pretty good over the last 8 months. They have seen quite a few potholes and road construction abuse and they have held up fine. Im selling my set and Ill post pics soon and you'll see they still look gorgeous. I think the op is another member who got a shitty set. The clear coats thin but atleast they are very inexpensive. I have to sell them for dirt cheap because thats what they were to begin with. My final tip is I think only lukewarm water and car soap should be used on any wheels.

[J BONE]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

I guess you never know what you'll get with miro's. Ive seen so many threads about the quality and the finish but my experience is completely different. I dont think the finish is great but Im not having any issues other than some minor chipping which IMO is acceptable. I only use soap and water and the have a couple coats of wheel wax on them. They seem to be holding up pretty good over the last 8 months. They have seen quite a few potholes and road construction abuse and they have held up fine. Im selling my set and Ill post pics soon and you'll see they still look gorgeous. I think the op is another member who got a shitty set. The clear coats thin but atleast they are very inexpensive. I have to sell them for dirt cheap because thats what they were to begin with. My final tip is I think only lukewarm water and car soap should be used on any wheels.

Feel the same way. My first two sets were solid. Hit potholes like crazy, washed on a regular basis, etc. No issues. But when I got the two replacements, it was bad news.

I hope the OP can get this resolved. I think someone needs to step up to the plate and take care of this situation instead of ignoring it. I hate bad customer service. I am reminded again why I buy mods from only two companies. Good luck OP, hope it works out for you. For the record, again, it is not the simple green that caused this. That is a sorry excuse

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by rolling18

Well obviously my goal is replacement, BUt i'm fully prepared and willing to go to small claims court.. I still have not heard anything from **********s
they (and MIRO) are aware of this situation.

replacement? with what? More MIROs?

[BMWsky]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

replacement? with what? More MIROs?

I have to agree with Morpheus; I'd want a refund. After reading many reviews on various forums, I'm leery about anything from Miro. There are plenty of options out there at the same price point that seem to have much better QC.

Many companies have built very solid reputations by standing behind their products. IMHO, Simple Green or not, Miro should step up or face a steep decline in sales. OP, I'd be surprised if you didn't get hit with some type of cease and desist. This sounds like the kind of company that would do it.