[stressdoc]

They are both superb cars that anyone in their right mind would be extremely happy to own. IMO it boils down to $ -- the P-car is a ton more expensive to own in the long run, factoring in maintenance, insurance, resale.... So think about whether you would rather have the 335 and take a trip to the Adriatic coast or Fiji or Chile or wherever once a year vs. having the Porsche.

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

WTF r u talking about, C2S weighs 3200lbs thats only 350ish less than the 335, not 600. 335 procede= 350whp vs 997S= 300whp

335 shouldnt have any prob against a 997s

335 with Procede does not make 350 rwhp.

[stefano7171]

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

i doubt that 997 C2S is running like a 4.7ish 0-60 procede can easily do 4.5 or better if launched and driven properly

I am afraid you are wrong. The three most impotant Italian car magazines rated the 997s between 4.5 and 4.7 to 62mph while the 335 scored 5.5. all over the board.
US car magazines achieved better results for the 335 (5.1. to 62mph), but also for the 997s (I think R&T even achieved an amazing sub 4 time to 60mph). Therefore, provided procede allow you to improve of 0.3/0.5 sec, the best case scenario for the bimmer is remain side by side to the Carrera.

[WAYNEBO]

LMAO... too funny!

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by 335i black/red

I BELEIVE I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE SPEAKING OUT OF EXPERIENCE, DON'T TAKE THIS AS ARROGANCE BUT AS CREDIBILITY. I HAVE 335I PROCEDE, I'VE SMOKED 997,996, E46 M3'S, E36 M3'S WITH NOS, E36 M3 WITH HAMMAN EXHAUST, ECU, AND AIRBOX, E39 M5, JAG XKR 400HP SUPERCHARGHED, CAYMAN S, BOXSTER S, INFINITI G35, EVO VII W NOS.
AND I'VE BEEN LOOKINK FOR A CARRERA S FOR AGES, FINALLY MET A BRAND NEW 997 4 S, WE DID A 0-250KM (0-160 MPH) FROM STAND STILL.
I TOOK HIM ON EVERY GEAR AND WAS PULLING AWAY, I THOUGHT HE WOULD GET ME ON THE HIGHER SPEEDS. NOT. i FINISHED AROUND 5 CAR LENGTHS B4 HIM. HE WAS A TIPTRONIC THOUGH, AND I AM 6MT...BUT I WAS PROUD..THE 997 SOUNDS AMAZING. AND BY THE WAY THE Z4M CABRIO SMOKED ME (HALF A CARS LENGTH), STRANGE BUT TRUE.

Impressive, and I believe it (look at my sig. !!! :rocks: btw -- you don't need to scream with the ALL CAPS.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by E(@M#

neither are the car for u, imo.....stick with your crotchrocket or get a cobra and mod the chit out of it

Wow, brilliant post. I'm sure that really helped him.

[fanman]

Big difference between a tip 4S & 6 speed S model. The 4S adds 180+ lbs., not to mention greater driveline losses with 4WD. If they don't know how to launch then that 4WD becomes a hinderance, not advantage in the straightline race. Are you sure you did not run a 325 hp 3.6L from the previous model year ?

Strange if you lose to a Z4M vs. a Carrera 4S, big difference in speed there (12.8-12.9's vs. 13.3's).

[boggysv]

it's funny how many of you guys try to use the phrase "335i with a procede can hang with XXX car, and is much cheaper"


reminds me of the topgear episode where the evo mr was sticking with the murcielago.
why dont we all go buy evos then? or an ariel atom since it's "RWD YO!"

want to brag about straight line speed?
mustang gt with a blower.

ZOMG!!! the magazine says I can lap donnington in XX seconds, and do a 0-60 in 4 seconds!!! does it really matter when I'm driving to work?

the 335i has the right balance for me ,not super fast in straights, not super luxurious, not super beautiful, and that's why I want it.

[musc]

A street race against a stranger is pretty much a worthless comparison. You know nothing about their skill, car, etc. If you actually know the person and stage a street race, then thats a much different story.

Based on trap speed, it would probably take a Stage 1 PROcede to run a with a stock 997S.

[WAYNEBO]

Originally Posted by stefano7171

I am afraid you are wrong. The three most impotant Italian car magazines rated the 997s between 4.5 and 4.7 to 62mph while the 335 scored 5.5. all over the board.
US car magazines achieved better results for the 335 (5.1. to 62mph), but also for the 997s (I think R&T even achieved an amazing sub 4 time to 60mph). Therefore, provided procede allow you to improve of 0.3/0.5 sec, the best case scenario for the bimmer is remain side by side to the Carrera.

Very well said.

[ren]

Check this out if you haven't:
BMW 335i VS. Porsche Carrera S (chipped to 390hp)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87617695&hl=en

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by 335i black/red

Sorry 4 da Caps Major it that Z4M thats driving me crazy is running alot faster than its posted numbers, and the owner is my friend and he swears its stock 346hp with a CSL exhaust

Z4m's are nice cars. As for one taking a stage 1 335i. not very likely unless the driver sucks.

A friend of mine just bought one 2 weeks ago and we just did some comparison runs last night.

Ill post the videos later this week, with the rest of the videos I havent posted over the months, since I havent had my car in a while. Just waiting on that new revised stage 1 map











Heres a pic you might wanna see too. 440 rwhp 410 wtq ls2 gto vs my crappy car. I have videos on this too. (day time in fact lol )



Back on topic. On the 997s it a drivers race. I have a few videos of doing runs with my friends when I was just proceded.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by erensf

Check this out if you haven't:
BMW 335i VS. Porsche Carrera S (chipped to 390hp)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87617695&hl=en

Stock 335i, and it seemed like 335i driver wasn't even trying...no wheel/tire spin in M1 on stock RFTs????? I have a feeling he had it in DS and just punched it, which means he started out in 2nd gear. I'd like to see that chipped 911 S vs. a PROcede 335i (with a driver that actually knows how to launch).

[inductivetheory]

Originally Posted by ward

how do you knock the extra 600 lbs out of it

I guess you could make a honda odessy a track car too if you throw enough mods at it

+1

Renault Espace F1 is manufactured by Renault, Williams and Matra. It has a 3500 cc 40-Valve V10 engine, who produces a massive 800 BHP/ 597 kW. That is 228.6 BHP per liter. The Espace F1 weighs 1300 kg, is 443 cm long and 205 cm wide. The height is n/a. This prototype has a maximum speed of 310 kph/ 194 mph and sprints in 2.8 seconds from 0 to 100 kph/ 60 mph.

[Heli Animal]

Porsche's are boring 0-60 arguments are Lame

[Heli Animal]

Originally Posted by stefano7171

I am afraid you are wrong. The three most impotant Italian car magazines rated the 997s between 4.5 and 4.7 to 62mph while the 335 scored 5.5. all over the board.
US car magazines achieved better results for the 335 (5.1. to 62mph), but also for the 997s (I think R&T even achieved an amazing sub 4 time to 60mph). Therefore, provided procede allow you to improve of 0.3/0.5 sec, the best case scenario for the bimmer is remain side by side to the Carrera.

Magazines are Important in Italy? I have no clue why people even talk about 0-60 times. It's so lame! It's only a matter of traction in the long run. If you want to know what car is truly faster in a real world Street situation then lets talk about trap speed! I can make my car hook up and gear it to hit 60 mph in 3 seconds but that doesn't mean CRAP!

[BMWPower06]

Originally Posted by JEllis

Road and Track did 3.9 0-60 in a stock 997S. The base 997 still does 0-60 in well under 5.0 in some reviews. I know 0-60 doesnt mean anything but just wanted to point that out.

I think the 997S is a great car. And as said before if you just want a really fast car for the straights then the 335 is fine. In reality you dont need much better handling than the 335 for everyday spirited driving. If you are a track guy than a used Pcar is the way to go.

This is a great site for Pcar stats.

http://www.weissach.net/996-997_RoadTestSummary.html

C&D says 4.1 to 60 with the 1/4 passing thru at 12.6 @ 112MPH, those numbers are similar to procede 335, but i believe the procede is trapping @ a higher speed.

[BMWPower06]

Originally Posted by Heli Animal

Porsche's are boring 0-60 arguments are Lame

u obv havent driven one then

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Heli Animal

Porsche's are boring 0-60 arguments are Lame

Boring? Maybe a Cayenne.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Boring? Maybe a Cayenne.

Cayenne turbo S

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

C&D says 4.1 to 60 with the 1/4 passing thru at 12.6 @ 112MPH, those numbers are similar to procede 335, but i believe the procede is trapping @ a higher speed.

A procede car has not trapped higher than 112, I belive only shiv has gone over 110, the rest are 107-109, still very good.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Stock 335i, and it seemed like 335i driver wasn't even trying...no wheel/tire spin in M1 on stock RFTs????? I have a feeling he had it in DS and just punched it, which means he started out in 2nd gear. I'd like to see that chipped 911 S vs. a PROcede 335i (with a driver that actually knows how to launch).

I'll set it up, my buddy has a modded 997S, at Famoso he ran a 12.6 at 111, the procede cars hit 13's at 107 same day, I think it's actually closer than that, we'll do some runs with Sherwin's and Charlie's car soon.