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10-13-2010, 11:10 AM | #67 | |
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1062 left front 1007 right front 945 left rear 911 right rear Total: 3925 lbs (In my best Scottish: "It's a fiiiiiine booooat.") Now 3925 - 185 = 3740 lbs. 6/10 * ~16 = ~9.6 gallons * 6lb/gal = ~58 lbs of fuel 3740 - 58 = 3682 lbs = ~3700 lbs dry (no fuel), with 7 qts oil, water in radiator. My point is, you are correct. 3582 != 3700 P.S. Wow, maybe someone at BMW website fat fingered a 5 instead of a 6. ?? 3582 --> 3682 ??
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10-13-2010, 11:53 AM | #68 |
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^^WOW good info man...it definitely seemed like a typo to me. Notice that the weight for the E92 335i AT and E92 335xi MT is the same 3582...
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10-13-2010, 12:39 PM | #69 | |
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lots of people confuse the big names (evo, sti, quattro) in awd which were designed for performance with xdrive which was designed for safety. |
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10-13-2010, 01:35 PM | #70 | |
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10-13-2010, 01:38 PM | #72 | |
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my 2 cents, it rains here consistently in Oregon, but went with the i because I have a lifted jeep as my other driver because of that I went with what is the better "sports car" and to me I've always believed RWD>AWD for sports cars.. whether that is true or not who knows, but with the right tires grip 40mph+ won't be an issue and the lower weight (by about 200lbs), closer to 50/50 distribution than the xi, and better mpg made me believe it was so I also think people repeat the xi was made for safety because it doesn't have an option for sport suspension, and it is marketed towards people living in weather conditions necessary for AWD, whereas 335 is marketed towards speed (pictures off their website, and brochures, not my thinking) Last edited by ABerry; 10-13-2010 at 01:45 PM.. |
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10-13-2010, 01:45 PM | #73 | |
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I don't like to argue I vs xi, because I think both are pretty much equal, but the thing that sets me off, is when xi people call xdrive a performance feature. This is why I am posting here, not because I have something against xdrive. Last edited by Kolyan2k; 10-13-2010 at 02:55 PM.. |
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10-13-2010, 02:04 PM | #74 |
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In addition to our 328i, we also have an X5.
If the X5 came in a RWD configuration, I would have bought that configuration. Why deal with the complexity (higher maintenance cost and repair costs going forward) if you have no use for the 'x' drive? In Canada (where I used to live more than a decade ago), I would have preferred and only bought a FWD or an AWD. In California, RWD is my first choice. |
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10-13-2010, 02:11 PM | #75 |
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Such passsssssssion on here, better than a day-time soap.
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10-13-2010, 02:18 PM | #76 |
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Funny that the Xi as tested recently is faster than the i in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile times as well as holding a faster lap time at the Hockenheim track! Pretty good performance for a safety feature.
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10-13-2010, 02:25 PM | #77 | |
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10-13-2010, 02:27 PM | #78 |
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There is so much mis-information in this thread that I think I'll throw in my two cent's worth.
Let's start with tires. Tires are the only thing that connect you with the ground. If the ground is slippery, then FWD or AWD or anything else won't help you if you are using the incorrect tires. AWD will not get you through snow with summer performance tires. Drive systems It is the totality of the design and the circumstances that determine which is better. Audi, Subaru and others made their name on the rally circuit based solely on AWD. AWD can be a performance system or a safety system or a combination of both. AWD with winter tires is the best system in snow and ice. It will give you more "go" power but the AWD doesn't help with stopping or steering - the tires do. RWD shines when it comes to pure performance on dry maintained roads. Without electronic nannies, traction can be difficult in slippery conditions. FWD has more traction (all else being equal) in slippery conditions but makes for a relatively poor "pure performance" car. The driver The most important part of the equation. Nobody here is a really good driver. We all think we are, but until we've gone to the driving schools we have no clue how bad we really are. We are using less than a 10th of our car's potential but we insist on modding it to get more performance. Mod yourself first and you'll have a faster car. The bottom line Drive systems depend on your requirements. Given that we do not drive our cars to their limits (often we exceed the laws of physics but that is because we aren't driving right) I would offer the following suggestion: Predominantly dry roads - RWD Slippery surfaces often - FWD Slippery surfaces very often - AWD They will all "perform" the same given our lack of real driving skills. |
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Go back to page 2 where we discussed the supposed Hockenheim lap times. There is much good reason to doubt that the 2 times are in fact comparable when it comes to variables like driver, weather, transmission, tires, etc. as none of that is actually provided in the citation for the lap times.
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10-13-2010, 02:28 PM | #80 |
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Fair enough. I don't have mine anymore either. I just always thought it was funny how the i vs xi was always based on assumptions. Now that real data is out there, there is always an excuse. I have yet to see any test data showing the i faster than the xi in both straight line and track performance. The only real data out there shows the opposite.
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10-13-2010, 02:34 PM | #81 | |
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10-13-2010, 02:42 PM | #83 | |
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If you are referring to performance and handling reasons, watch this series. |
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10-13-2010, 02:47 PM | #84 |
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Expounding/appending on cb's post, the mod list (note the top 3):
1. Driver 2. Driver 3. Driver 4. Tires 5. Suspension 6. Weight 7. Power 8. Brakes Where does xi vs i fit in? xi helps in '5' somewhat, with traction, but is a detriment to '6'. AWD can help, case in point, Audi dominated the GTs back in the 90s, even with ~additional~ weight penalties. For fun, see this too: http://i.autoblog.com/2010/04/25/nis...eight-penalty/ Back to work.
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Right, there is no definitive data going either way. I was merely rebutting those who claimed I was being ridiculous for preferring the handling of the i to the xi and attempted to refute my subjective experiences with unverifiable and non-transparent lap times. I have never claimed one to be faster around a track than another, because I use my car on the street, so it is irrelevant to me. I am more concerned with steering feel and handling in day to day situations. There is much more to good handling from the consumer's point of view than the ability to get around a track quickly. I will gladly give up .2 sec to 60 or unquantifiable increases in aggregate cornering speed to drive the car that IMO offers a favorable driving experience 3/4 of the year, and is far from unlivable for the 1/4 of it many of us call winter.
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