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      07-23-2008, 09:26 AM   #23
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HOT HOT oil temps. Like 285-300, depending on ambient temps.

Approaching 40 track days. Still hasn't grenaded on me. Running Procede at a conservative 12psi. Dump a few gallons of race fuel in there to combat the AIT increases.

I will tell you this. I slap around E46 M3s all day long. I even slap the E92 M3 around - both in straights and corners.

Granted, I went beyond power increases and I'm running TCK coilovers and plates and Dot-R rubber.
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HOT HOT oil temps. Like 285-300, depending on ambient temps.
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      07-23-2008, 04:35 PM   #25
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I've had 5 track days so far with temperatures ranging from low 60's to lower 80's. I've never had a limp mode or an oil temperature over about 265. My car is stock '07 335i sedan, MT, sport package (factory oil cooler)
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I've had 5 track days so far with temperatures ranging from low 60's to lower 80's. I've never had a limp mode or an oil temperature over about 265. My car is stock '07 335i sedan, MT, sport package (factory oil cooler)
I have hit 285...even 290 once..but once I saw that temp..I did a cool down lap. I constantly watch my oil temps when on track.
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I'm tremendously concerned. I mean, I'm doing everything I can to combat it. I can't really do much until VK releases the retrofit. I really just don't want to sacrifice my driving education because of this cars stupid oil temp issues. This is my first year tracking and I'm getting a ton of time in and progressing rapidly, so if I have to push the car a bit I'll worry about that later.
I see you have dual cones. Have you tried to run with the stock box? I was a limp-a-holic with the dual cones. So you limp without a tune? Thats yet to happen to me (knock on wood).

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HOT HOT oil temps. Like 285-300, depending on ambient temps.

Approaching 40 track days. Still hasn't grenaded on me. Running Procede at a conservative 12psi. Dump a few gallons of race fuel in there to combat the AIT increases.

I will tell you this. I slap around E46 M3s all day long. I even slap the E92 M3 around - both in straights and corners.

Granted, I went beyond power increases and I'm running TCK coilovers and plates and Dot-R rubber.
My temps have yet to get that high, but your right about dumping a few gallons of race fuel "just incase". I'd also have to agree that it hands E46 M3s their ass. Lets just say, I dont miss my E46 M3
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      07-23-2008, 07:15 PM   #28
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I limped with the stock airbox. I've only done this past weekend with the dual cones and honestly it was better. I'll be getting the RPI scoops to get some more air into the engine on top of replacing coolant and getting that oil cooler. But really the intake made no or if anything positive difference.
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      07-23-2008, 07:18 PM   #29
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Oh and yes, the 335i/xi walks ALL over any previous chassis M3 hands down.
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I limped with the stock airbox. I've only done this past weekend with the dual cones and honestly it was better. I'll be getting the RPI scoops to get some more air into the engine on top of replacing coolant and getting that oil cooler. But really the intake made no or if anything positive difference.


when you say the dual cones no difference...your talking just about temp right?
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1-2 track events per month for this 335i!

The E9x cars have much better suspension geometry than the old E46 cars. The old RTAB on the E46 cause too much unwanted toe changes. The new 5 link system is much better keeping the alignment in check. Not to mention the much less unsprung weight.
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haha...how you drive it on the track.....so a proper flogging isn't good for it then?
Not if it leaves you limping along
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Limp mode every session of every day this year for me :-/ Waiting for VK Oil Cooler....
Wow, that is good to know or not so good. Is the VK Oil Cooler 100% going to fix the limp mode problem? When is it going to be released?

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HOT HOT oil temps. Like 285-300, depending on ambient temps.

Approaching 40 track days. Still hasn't grenaded on me. Running Procede at a conservative 12psi. Dump a few gallons of race fuel in there to combat the AIT increases.

I will tell you this. I slap around E46 M3s all day long. I even slap the E92 M3 around - both in straights and corners.

Granted, I went beyond power increases and I'm running TCK coilovers and plates and Dot-R rubber.
Those are big oil temps.

Did the E92 M3 have R-compound tires on? If so that is some serious wheelin your doing.

Did you install a LSD?

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Oh and yes, the 335i/xi walks ALL over any previous chassis M3 hands down.
Not really priority to be the fastest car out there. I just want something reliable.
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As long as the car has an upgraded oil cooler I dont see it being a problem. If you have no oil cooler then it really plain sucks. Factory oil cooler will keep you going with hot oil and will eventually limp on a tight course with hot ambient air temps. Any aftermarket oil cooler and its hard to overheat.
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As long as the car has an upgraded oil cooler I dont see it being a problem. If you have no oil cooler then it really plain sucks. Factory oil cooler will keep you going with hot oil and will eventually limp on a tight course with hot ambient air temps. Any aftermarket oil cooler and its hard to overheat.
I see you have a Z4 M coupe. Do you track it? I am also considering it. Only thing is when I do use it on the streets, it would be less practical.
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I see you have a Z4 M coupe. Do you track it? I am also considering it. Only thing is when I do use it on the streets, it would be less practical.
Actually oddly enough I dont. I got the M coupe under a special deal and gave it to my step dad.
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when you say the dual cones no difference...your talking just about temp right?
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I'm convinced the VK Oil Cooler will 100% fix the limp problem. The OEM cooler obviously keeps people only limping once in a blue moon and the VK unit has greater capacity. It should be released any day now (within the next week or two).

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Wow, that is good to know or not so good. Is the VK Oil Cooler 100% going to fix the limp mode problem? When is it going to be released?



Those are big oil temps.

Did the E92 M3 have R-compound tires on? If so that is some serious wheelin your doing.

Did you install a LSD?



Not really priority to be the fastest car out there. I just want something reliable.
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I'm convinced the VK Oil Cooler will 100% fix the limp problem. The OEM cooler obviously keeps people only limping once in a blue moon and the VK unit has greater capacity. It should be released any day now (within the next week or two).

let us know...make sure it keeps the brake ducting for that side as well..not like the Dinan set up.
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The Dinan keeps the brake cooler, just makes it smaller...
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let us know...make sure it keeps the brake ducting for that side as well..not like the Dinan set up.
I will and I think that it does. I also want to take my fogs out and build some cooling ducts into there. I have the fiberglass i just need to find a cool dry day to take everything apart.
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may be we should go out to a track event, sort of a mini meet.
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You bastards in California....got all the good tracks. Well O'Fest is on the East Coast this year and I'm sure as hell going to the Saturday/Sunday events soooo maybe the East Coasters can have a group meet at O'Fest
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