Meth Dyno Numbers :)

oddjob2021 · 09-03-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lamia2super

love the setup

were you on palm island the other day?

yes i was, at my sister's boyfriends father's house, to be exact LOL

DR_E92 · 09-03-2009, 07:09 PM

holy crap! that looks legit! thats the best set up ive seen yet

my brother uses his windshield washer tank in the engine to be a bit more discrete

Rotary Rasp · 09-03-2009, 07:09 PM

nice!

lamia2super · 09-03-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oddjob2021

yes i was, at my sister's boyfriends father's house, to be exact LOL

lol or better known as my neighbor

Chefcg1 · 09-03-2009, 07:12 PM

nice set up, you put the pump exactly where i plan on putting mine.

oddjob2021 · 09-03-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_E92

holy crap! that looks legit! thats the best set up ive seen yet

my brother uses his windshield washer tank in the engine to be a bit more discrete

although that location may be more convenient and descrete, the w/m mix sitting in the hot engine bay will not benefit the IAT cooling nearly as much. i suggest you let him know and have him change to a trunk mount when he can.

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Originally Posted by lamia2super

lol or better known as my neighbor

small world huh? that same night you got in a little trouble right? pm me what happened! frank wouldn't say why lol.

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Originally Posted by Chefcg1

nice set up, you put the pump exactly where i plan on putting mine.

nice, post photos when you gets yours set up, curious to see your other plans.

335iheLLraiseR · 09-03-2009, 09:56 PM

Nice numbers Jay......

you really should race Abids 1er, at least to quiet some of the trolls.

and to whomever commented on the meth in the washer reservoir, meth will also eventually eat through your paint.

oddjob2021 · 09-04-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

Nice numbers Jay......

you really should race Abids 1er, at least to quiet some of the trolls.

and to whomever commented on the meth in the washer reservoir, meth will also eventually eat through your paint.

at some point im sure we will. there is an airstrip event coming up that abid told me about. we'll prolly do it there, which'll hurt me more... it'll really have the time to stretch its legs in a mile of accel

datbimmerdoe · 09-04-2009, 01:45 AM

Awesome numbers!!

maui86 · 09-04-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by oddjob2021

at some point im sure we will. there is an airstrip event coming up that abid told me about. we'll prolly do it there, which'll hurt me more... it'll really have the time to stretch its legs in a mile of accel

yup...should be ~160 on a mile stretch of accel depending on weather conditions. dont ask me how i came up with these figures, its a guess.

TurboSid · 09-04-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by oddjob2021

the ASR 135i would rape me, even without meth, a power band i cannot compare with and lighter? comon dude

isnt that where we left off in the 135i vs m5 thread? that a local 335/135 fully bolt-on would run the 135 for shits and giggles and post up a video.

Its the best way to visually portray the difference in power bands and not just the similarities in peak numbers (pump asr 135 vs. pump/meth stock turbo 135/335 both at ~430whp) and what aftermarket turbo upgrades mean for our cars...

If asr really wanted to make people believers thats what they would do, run a 415-430whp stock turbo car vs. their 135i @ the same power level... unless they have something to hide.

EDIT: Read the rest of the thread... will they allow cars to race at the airstrip or will each person be on it by themselves for a top speed run? either way i'm looking forward to seeing the race in person or afterwards on video.

oddjob2021 · 09-04-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSid

isnt that where we left off in the 135i vs m5 thread? that a local 335/135 fully bolt-on would run the 135 for shits and giggles and post up a video.

Its the best way to visually portray the difference in power bands and not just the similarities in peak numbers (pump asr 135 vs. pump/meth stock turbo 135/335 both at ~430whp) and what aftermarket turbo upgrades mean for our cars...

If asr really wanted to make people believers thats what they would do, run a 415-430whp stock turbo car vs. their 135i @ the same power level... unless they have something to hide.

EDIT: Read the rest of the thread... will they allow cars to race at the airstrip or will each person be on it by themselves for a top speed run? either way i'm looking forward to seeing the race in person or afterwards on video.

im working on getting ASR's closed box air system. im sure it will be out of prototyping before the event. that system will really help my longer runs with higher airspeeds in the front of my car being piped into a box with 2 caddy-corner filters. kinda like the stock airbox design but less restrictive

once i have that, i suspect a 5-10whp difference on the road at higher speeds. their 135 already has this system so at the moment it has a large advantage over my DCI.

Sniz · 09-04-2009, 10:33 AM

oh so someone FINALLY came out with a closed box air intake for these cars? about time.

335iheLLraiseR · 09-04-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniz

oh so someone FINALLY came out with a closed box air intake for these cars? about time.

its been out for a while, the posted pics of the prototype but everyone ragged on it.

lamia2super · 09-04-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

its been out for a while, the posted pics of the prototype but everyone ragged on it.

I never saw the pictures or comments, but I saw the prototype on the 135 and it looks really functional

335iheLLraiseR · 09-05-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lamia2super

I never saw the pictures or comments, but I saw the prototype on the 135 and it looks really functional

havent seen it on the 1er, the one i saw was on an e92 and it was a metal box.

oddjob2021 · 09-06-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by got psi

Thats correct. There were prototype pictures floating around and everyone started bad mouthing it.

ill dig up the pix...

EDIT: Found the thread...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109662

nice find, im not sure if ASR did any pre and post intake dyno numbers.

i sure will, hood closed and open, when i do get it

Former_Boosted_IS · 09-08-2009, 06:17 AM

Very strong numbers.

Just an FYI, I have done some testing on methanol percentages and can tell you running 100% is definitely a serious risk with a flash temp of about 148F. When you run any way, the flash point goes through the roof. If my memory serves me correct, 50/50 is about 650F and 66/34 is about 500F.

oddjob2021 · 09-08-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Very strong numbers.

Just an FYI, I have done some testing on methanol percentages and can tell you running 100% is definitely a serious risk with a flash temp of about 148F. When you run any way, the flash point goes through the roof. If my memory serves me correct, 50/50 is about 650F and 66/34 is about 500F.

thanks for the props.

also for the info, by flash point you mean when it combusts on its own? or lights on fire without spark? kinda like knock? but isnt the inside cylinder temperature higher than 650F? i know at high rev the exhaust gas temp is around 700C leaving the cylinder no?

this reassures my decision on a pre mixed solution even more! thanks

Former_Boosted_IS · 09-08-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oddjob2021

thanks for the props.

also for the info, by flash point you mean when it combusts on its own? or lights on fire without spark? kinda like knock? but isnt the inside cylinder temperature higher than 650F? i know at high rev the exhaust gas temp is around 700C leaving the cylinder no?

this reassures my decision on a pre mixed solution even more! thanks

Here is a good wiki definition:

The flash point of a flammable liquid is the lowest temperature at which it can form an ignitable mixture in air

This becomes important if you develop a leak in the line near the engine bay or near the exhaust. In this case, the air would have to be 148F to flash ignite the methanol. 66/34 has a flash point near 500F, so the air would need to be that warm. The bottom line is that is a lot of room still.

NM_BMW · 09-08-2009, 08:58 AM

That's a nice big margin of safety with the flash points that high.

jb's335 · 09-08-2009, 09:11 AM

Flash point is a good idea, but if you thought of that as the only cause of detonation then gas would combust at -44* C!! The definition of flashpoint I found was the lowest temperature a liquid can be at to create vapors that are ignitable in air. Therefor flashpoint is not what we need to be looking at.

Octane is. Octane is the amount of pressure, temperature, etc. that it takes to create a combustion without an ignition source, i.e. spark! Methanol has a VERY high octane, which is why people use it to keep detonation from happening and is why it effectively raises the octane of the gas you are currently running. If you have a high octane mixture, it doesn't matter what flashpoint it has because it can stay stable much longer and under more extreme pressures.

Methanol may be more volatile a liquid, but when it comes to using it to cause a combustion it helps because of its ability to withstand pressure and temperature better BEFORE combusting on its own.

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jb's335 Big Boost Addict 52 Rep 689 Posts Drives: AW e92 335 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lima, OH iTrader: (12)	Flash point is a good idea, but if you thought of that as the only cause of detonation then gas would combust at -44* C!! The definition of flashpoint I found was the lowest temperature a liquid can be at to create vapors that are ignitable in air. Therefor flashpoint is not what we need to be looking at. Octane is. Octane is the amount of pressure, temperature, etc. that it takes to create a combustion without an ignition source, i.e. spark! Methanol has a VERY high octane, which is why people use it to keep detonation from happening and is why it effectively raises the octane of the gas you are currently running. If you have a high octane mixture, it doesn't matter what flashpoint it has because it can stay stable much longer and under more extreme pressures. Methanol may be more volatile a liquid, but when it comes to using it to cause a combustion it helps because of its ability to withstand pressure and temperature better BEFORE combusting on its own. __________________ FFTEC 62mm...yeah I think that about does it.
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