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      02-04-2018, 02:32 PM   #1
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Suspension refresh

As the title says Iím looking into a suspension refresh for my e91 as itís on 85k miles and I want to get it back to feeling fresh again.

Iím curently looking at a bilstein b4s with eibach pro combo because I really donít want anything harsh because our lovely pothole infested roads and hard suspension just donít go, plus Iím not looking to lower the rear end at all (maybe 5 mm Max)

I am considering looking into koni FSD shocks as well but have no experience with them at all just bilstein b8ís, which I personally felt were too harsh on my old 118d.

Iím really asking to find out what experience people have had with either b4 shocks or the FSDís with eibach pro springs.

With regards to the insurance, would I be right and saying that b4ís wouldnít need to be declared as they are bassicly stock just made by bilstein?
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      02-05-2018, 06:00 AM   #2
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I've run Koni FSD's but not on a BM. Tbh I really liked them as they were well balanced and very compliant and matched the Eibach's well.

As for declaring, well I wouldn't inform the insurance of any shock changes as they are generally like for like in terms of spec (fitment as opposed to damping), whereas it's the springs that actually alter the ride height and hence alter from OE.
If only lowering marginally on Prokit springs I wouldn't worry too much but tbf it shouldn't really alter your premium much (if any).
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Doing a refresh at the moment, just waiting for all the parts to come (335d 2008). just getting standard dampers - Sachs and mounts / bushes etc. and Ebach pro springs as they don't really go much lower than the m-sport suspension.
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I changed mine standard M Sport shocks for B4's earlier this year as the rears had started to go. The car is still comfortable and handles slightly better. It did raise the front about 10mm but that's because my old shocks (100k miles) were done.
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Thanks for the inputs guys.

To keep this updated, I have pulled the trigger on some Bilstein B4S shocks this morning.

I wont be fitting them too soon as i'm gathering up all the other parts to refresh all at the same time to save on labour costs, but i'm sure these shocks with some eibach pros will be a worth while bit of maintenance to carry out.
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I have the B8 shocks and find them pretty hard on rough roads at lower speeds. Probably better going for the B4s.
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Which other parts are you getting for the refresh? Arms and bushes? And more importantly which brands are the ones to go for (Meyle, Lemforder, Febi etc)?

I only ask as I want to do the same to mine when I swap my shocks for a set of B8s
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      02-08-2018, 09:28 AM   #8
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Which other parts are you getting for the refresh? Arms and bushes? And more importantly which brands are the ones to go for (Meyle, Lemforder, Febi etc)?

I only ask as I want to do the same to mine when I swap my shocks for a set of B8s
Im going to do all bushes/covers ect.. which the springs and shocks are connected to including top mounts. As for the arms I really need to get under there and have a look and see what condition they're in, but the car doesn't feel like it has any issues with the arms so might leave those for a later date.

When It comes to the brands to use I think Lemforder are the providers for BMW, minus the BMW badges so either them of Febi Bilstein I think I will use for bushes and mounts ect..

If you're doing the arms you should consider the TRW M3 arms, these were a good upgrade for my 1 series and did improve the handling quite considerably.
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      02-08-2018, 04:00 PM   #9
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I've got B4S dampers on my e93, great upgrade for a daily and not harsh at all
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Which other parts are you getting for the refresh? Arms and bushes? And more importantly which brands are the ones to go for (Meyle, Lemforder, Febi etc)?

I only ask as I want to do the same to mine when I swap my shocks for a set of B8s
So all my parts have arrived. I ordered from here: https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/ parts came from Germany.

All SACHS
Dampers front and rear,bump stops, top mounts bottom mounts and inner / outer mounts.

Then got Springs from Eibach.
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      02-09-2018, 08:20 AM   #11
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Im going to do all bushes/covers ect.. which the springs and shocks are connected to including top mounts. As for the arms I really need to get under there and have a look and see what condition they're in, but the car doesn't feel like it has any issues with the arms so might leave those for a later date.

When It comes to the brands to use I think Lemforder are the providers for BMW, minus the BMW badges so either them of Febi Bilstein I think I will use for bushes and mounts ect..

If you're doing the arms you should consider the TRW M3 arms, these were a good upgrade for my 1 series and did improve the handling quite considerably.
Thanks I'll have a look at Lemforder and the M3 arms. A lot of people suggest the M3 arms so I guess its a worthwhile upgrade.

I'm guessing the front geometry would have to be set for an M3 or somewhere between my 330i and an M3? Especially the camber.


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So all my parts have arrived. I ordered from here: https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/ parts came from Germany.

All SACHS
Dampers front and rear,bump stops, top mounts bottom mounts and inner / outer mounts.

Then got Springs from Eibach.
Awesome, let us know how it feels once fitted and aligned.
I have the Eibach Pro's on my MSport and it does feel better composed and slightly more stable.
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      02-09-2018, 09:11 AM   #12
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So all my parts have arrived. I ordered from here: https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/ parts came from Germany.

All SACHS
Dampers front and rear,bump stops, top mounts bottom mounts and inner / outer mounts.

Then got Springs from Eibach.
same company i used,but ta different name,,same website layout and prices and also came from germany(buycarparts.co.uk) worth looking at them both when ordering as the discount keeps changing..one day its say 18% the next 12% and the next 10% etc etc
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      02-13-2018, 06:34 AM   #13
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@Tr1ppy - indeed - got mine booked in with my indy 22nd Feb.

@rasa bmw yes was flowing between the discounts :-)
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I've had Koni FSD on for 30k miles. With EPK springs for the last 15k miles when a rear spring snapped at 115k miles. My car is an SE. This combo has transformed my car and made me decide to keep it. Light years ahead of the standard out the factory rubbish. I also ditched the RFTs early on and am running ContiSport5 now. I've had this car for 10years now so understand it reasonable well. The ride is still firm but with a controlled compliance over the UK's knackered roads. No brake dive or accelerate squat. It's 90% there which for the modest outlay - I'm very happy with. I still have hydraulic steering. Engine is remapped, deflapped, intake leaks and DPF issues resolved. Will do 50+mpg on a long run. Would be real sad to see it go now.
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Hi all, so all been done.

Parts fitted, all aligned etc.. first impressions are:
very much more composed and planted, noticeable improvement in turn-in, cornering , acceleration and braking - much less crashy and a smoother drive - still avoiding potholes like the plague though...so many... really irritates me!

With the alignment, few folks say to leave for a bit, say 100 miles then get alignment done - sorry not me... when it was checked after the work was done it was way out so not prepared to drive round like that.

Now it's done i'll wait for a month then get alignment checked again.

Look wise, the car sits slightly higher all round, some say that the car needs to settle etc.. we'll see. but overall i'm happy.

The old front dampers not in a good state, but the rears "seem" to have some life left and likewise the springs if anyone wants...
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it should not need all that done at that mileage I've driven loads of E90' variants over the years and I have driven a few with well in excess of 160k miles on their original suspension that drive just as well as other 60k miles examples I'v had. Things like bushes, drop links, shocks wear out and get replaced at MOT time, if they have not worn out they should still perform quite well. New shocks will always make a big improvement but does not mean the old ones are junk.
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      02-26-2018, 05:12 PM   #17
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Do B4's improve on the OEM Sachs set up?
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it should not need all that done at that mileage I've driven loads of E90' variants over the years and I have driven a few with well in excess of 160k miles on their original suspension that drive just as well as other 60k miles examples I'v had. Things like bushes, drop links, shocks wear out and get replaced at MOT time, if they have not worn out they should still perform quite well. New shocks will always make a big improvement but does not mean the old ones are junk.

I replaced my shocks for track work at 140k. The rears were completely dead, as in little finger could push them down and absolutely no rebound. The fronts tool about 2 minute to rebound after being pushed down by my thumb.

The reason you may not have noticed a difference between 60k and 160k is either because you didn't take the car over a bumpy surface (this is where you notice the lack of rebound the most) , or the fact that at 60k shocks may be done too.

Problem is it's all subjective.. if you buy a car that has done 50k but majority of the journeys have been in potholes, vs a 100k car which has lived on a pristine A road, then chancea are the 100k will have better condition shocks. Likewise if your OEM shock is a budget brand, vs Bilstein or Sachs then again the quality will prevail in higher milage cars.
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I upgraded to a bilstein b12 kit a few years ago when the car had done about 140k miles. I didn't bother changing the front top mounts which has turned out to be a false economy as they I think they are starting to fail.

So I've got to take it all apart again, going to replace the control and radius rods while I'm at it too!
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it should not need all that done at that mileage I've driven loads of E90' variants over the years and I have driven a few with well in excess of 160k miles on their original suspension that drive just as well as other 60k miles examples I'v had. Things like bushes, drop links, shocks wear out and get replaced at MOT time, if they have not worn out they should still perform quite well. New shocks will always make a big improvement but does not mean the old ones are junk.
your opinion and experiences. Thanks.

anyway, my old fronts are binned as they are junk. Car is riding lovely, much better than before. Very pleased
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Do B4's improve on the OEM Sachs set up?
The B4 are 10% stiffer than non m sport dampers. So you get more control new vs new.
I don't know about the B4S.

B6 are the performance oriented version for non m sport and b8 for m sport - the difference being in length, but you'll see varying reviews in terms of daily driver comfort.

I track my car with B4 and Eibach pros. I was considering b6/b8 but could not justify the additional cost for my needs.

As a side note for all I can confirm the B4 on track are still superb. In addition the chassis absolutely transforms when on track, I've always been amazed at how capable it is even when it had bad shocks.
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The B4 are 10% stiffer than non m sport dampers. So you get more control new vs new.
I don't know about the B4S.

B6 are the performance oriented version for non m sport and b8 for m sport - the difference being in length, but you'll see varying reviews in terms of daily driver comfort.

I track my car with B4 and Eibach pros. I was considering b6/b8 but could not justify the additional cost for my needs.

As a side note for all I can confirm the B4 on track are still superb. In addition the chassis absolutely transforms when on track, I've always been amazed at how capable it is even when it had bad shocks.
I've got the raise suspension as its XDrive so was wondering fome replacement time if there was an alternative to the OEM set up...

Ran some PSS10 B16 for many years on a car that had a well prepped chassis and the quality of the Bilstein is very very good. The preparator told me no to even go near KW unless I wanted to refurb the stuff every 15k miles...
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