[135Pats]

Originally Posted by Aerotest

For that much why dont you see what it would take to swap in a GM 6 speed auto. I am sure it wouldnt be easy but they have stand alone controllers.

It's been looked into by ABR Houston, it would require some pretty substantial grinding, spacing, and related shenanigans to get the bellhousing to physically fit. It would be a serious, serious undertaking. You could run it standalone but how would that account for how it plays with the DME? I'm not aware of anyone who really understands how the two interact.

As impractical as a 6MT swap is, a non-native MT swap would be even tougher.

I'm inclined to just keep buring up 6ATs to be honest....fraction of the cost of an MT swap and it's not like they go kaboom at 550-600WHP right away.

[techmaster05]

IMO drop your AT 335i's and get a MT 335i. Why the hell would you run 600+whp on an AT car, thats just stupid. Stop being girls and drive a manual its not that difficult. My e90 is an AT with just a lil over 400 at the wheels. IF i was to go 600+ i would without a doubt sell this and buy a MT. AT's are not designed to handle that much power. I know ak335 or w.e runs like 700whp on his AT but that thing is about to be out and he needs to slow down between shifts, Kinda defeats the purpose of having so much power and than having to slow down between shifts imo.

Anyways, IMO you should not be running an AT with that much power, its just dumb

[Ingeniator]

Motiv announced the 3 kit sizes and content on the facebook page. Trying to find out if they are offering turboless T4 hotside parts. Now I'm waiting until Aug 2 to see if I just make my test manifold for sizing my kit or go the PTF/Motiv route.

Forgot for those without facebook

MOTIV Motorsport will be displaying the turbo kit and fuel options at Bimmerfest East on August 2, 2014. They will be offered in 3 levels of power. A 600HP, 750HP, and 900HP setup. The turbo kits will include:

Turbo
Manifold
Downpipe
Wastegate
Intake
Intake Filter
Heat Shield
PCV Connection
FMIC Hot Pipe
Engine Mount
CNC Water Housing
Oil Lines
Water Lines
All necessary clamps, hoses, silicon couplers, nuts, bolts and other fasteners, and fittings.

Pricing, photos, numbers, etc. will all be available at Bimmerfest as well as order infomation. The kits have been on multiple vehicles and put through rigorous testing (including extended track use and daily driving). Come check out the kits at the PRO Tuning Freaks booth!

We look forward to seeing you there!

[135Pats]

@Ingeniator I believe everything is modular, so i'd bet they could accomodate your needs. Not sure just how modular they're willing to go for obvious reasons but talk to Jake and see what he thinks.

I'm absolutely positive this is the best thought out, most thoroughly vetted kit on the market. So excited to see the full release.

Spool on the 750 setup is going to be ridiculous.

[Stucks]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Spool on the 750 setup is going to be ridiculous.

depends on what turbo you choose, but yes, I agree

[gzim335]

will the 600hp kit be in the $6xxx range?im about to purchase stage 2 hybrids maybe i should wait...

[Ingeniator]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

It's been looked into by ABR Houston, it would require some pretty substantial grinding, spacing, and related shenanigans to get the bellhousing to physically fit. It would be a serious, serious undertaking. You could run it standalone but how would that account for how it plays with the DME? I'm not aware of anyone who really understands how the two interact.

As impractical as a 6MT swap is, a non-native MT swap would be even tougher.

I'm inclined to just keep buring up 6ATs to be honest....fraction of the cost of an MT swap and it's not like they go kaboom at 550-600WHP right away.

I don't think it would be that bad to put a dogbox in as long as you don't care about the floor. I'm about 90% planed out on a 9" IRS rear and putting money aside for a Saenz TA for when the OEM MT blows up or I need faster shifts no clutch whichever comes first.

Originally Posted by 135Pats

@Ingeniator I believe everything is modular, so i'd bet they could accomodate your needs. Not sure just how modular they're willing to go for obvious reasons but talk to Jake and see what he thinks.

I'm absolutely positive this is the best thought out, most thoroughly vetted kit on the market. So excited to see the full release.

Spool on the 750 setup is going to be ridiculous.

Yeah I figured I would wait for kit prices before I tried to get part prices. Looking forward to aug 2nd.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by Sfvalley135i

Pricing will probably start at 7k and run up to 10k with all options... They must not realize most people will be reluctant to spend 7k+ on their n54 car thats worth ~20k...

Originally Posted by Danimals

Yeah great logic, not sure if troll or human...

So your saying pay half what the car cost on a turbo kit, and that's reasonable because the car cost less now.

So how people rationalize spending $90-120k on a Gallardo & then shipping it off to UGR for a Race package that sets them back $110-160k once it's full optioned out with billet trans/diff/axles, etc?

Modifying cars is completely irrational, if anything you should be glad the N54-equipped cars have depreciated because once more ST N54s have proven themselves, more people will purchase the car to modify them, which in turn drives down cost of mods (more people buying, easier to achieve a target profit for the vendor).

Originally Posted by techmaster05

IMO drop your AT 335i's and get a MT 335i. Why the hell would you run 600+whp on an AT car, thats just stupid. Stop being girls and drive a manual its not that difficult.

Anyways, IMO you should not be running an AT with that much power, its just dumb

Can you explain why a large majority of the "fast" cars are all running automated transmissions, whether they're powerglides or Single/Double Clutch Trans?

If you want to go sub-10 in the 1/4 mile, you need to be a very skilled driver with a properly dialed in car. But if you want to go sub-9, you're probably gonna have to ditch the 3rd pedal.

ALSO, running automated transmissions allows you to keep boost between shifts while not being worried about shift consistency.

[techmaster05]

^^^^^our trannys are not designed to runn 600whp and they dont exactly shift that quick. im not saying all at's are trash. the dct's are awesome and id love one but for our cars I wouldn't recommend putting to much power on the at. be my guest. go do it and than you mind as well buy a few extra used at's

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Can you explain why a large majority of the "fast" cars are all running automated transmissions, whether they're powerglides or Single/Double Clutch Trans?

Don't feed the trolls lol with time, they eventually lose interest and disappear. Until then, let's leave the majority to keep arguing over a kit they will never even buy

[Torgus]

So the motive kits are rated at the flywheel I assume?

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by techmaster05

^^^^^our trannys are not designed to runn 600whp and they dont exactly shift that quick. im not saying all at's are trash

You do realize we have a very commonly used ZF transmission, that already has pre-existing modifications for high power setups. The problem we're facing is a proper software adjustment (something better suited then the Alpina TCM flash) for the new TQ values.

[techmaster05]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

You do realize we have a very commonly used ZF transmission, that already has pre-existing modifications for high power setups. The problem we're facing is a proper software adjustment (something better suited then the Alpina TCM flash) for the new TQ values.

with the amount of time thats gone by I dont think we will ever get a custom tranny flash. I dont think people can even edit the alpina files. but I have no knowledge in this.

[DuDai]

Wondering if that 900hp kit will also be on stock internals. That'll show how strong our motor is and will be new record on internals. 3L I6's continue to prove themselves strong motors once again!

[shadow191]

Yeah, for the really fast drag cars, auto is the better option. Friend had a Supra, when he got serious in the NDRA, he swapped for a Powerglide. The factory 6MT got him to high 9's. With the Powerglide, he was running 8.5's @ 175 or so. It allowed him to run a bigger turbo and more boost that the manual couldn't hold. Plus his launches were ridiculous since he could spray nitrous while holding the transbrake.

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Can you explain why a large majority of the "fast" cars are all running automated transmissions, whether they're powerglides or Single/Double Clutch Trans?

If you want to go sub-10 in the 1/4 mile, you need to be a very skilled driver with a properly dialed in car. But if you want to go sub-9, you're probably gonna have to ditch the 3rd pedal.

ALSO, running automated transmissions allows you to keep boost between shifts while not being worried about shift consistency.

[pwr hungry]

Originally Posted by DuDai

Wondering if that 900hp kit will also be on stock internals. That'll show how strong our motor is and will be new record on internals. 3L I6's continue to prove themselves strong motors once again!

900hp was not a stock motor.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by pwr hungry

900hp was not a stock motor.

Do the kits dyno on race gas at those numbers or are they flywheel numbers? I'm guessing flywheel. It's going to be hard to hit 900whp with such small displacement and only able to rev to 7200.

[pwr hungry]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Do the kits dyno on race gas at those numbers or are they flywheel numbers? I'm guessing flywheel. It's going to be hard to hit 900whp with such small displacement and only able to rev to 7200.

Word on the street is...i can't say. Plus, I heard from someone who heard from someone who is friends with ptf guys. So, who knows how true what I heard is. I'm just anxiously awaiting details like the rest of you, but I can say there is a new Whp record.

[Beau93315]

Originally Posted by techmaster05

with the amount of time thats gone by I dont think we will ever get a custom tranny flash. I dont think people can even edit the alpina files. but I have no knowledge in this.

Correction, no knowledge at all displayed by your previous posts.

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

ALSO, running automated transmissions allows you to keep boost between shifts while not being worried about shift consistency.

^^^
This

[DuDai]

Originally Posted by pwr hungry

900hp was not a stock motor.

That's too bad. I wanted to know the breaking point.

[Bluesun]

Originally Posted by pwr hungry

900hp was not a stock motor.

I wonder what you would replace in the N54...maybe pistons? The rods are already forged, but I'm not sure if they'd handle that much stress.

I that same vein, how much are rods and pistons for an N54...

[135Pats]

Originally Posted by Bluesun

I wonder what you would replace in the N54...maybe pistons? The rods are already forged, but I'm not sure if they'd handle that much stress.

I that same vein, how much are rods and pistons for an N54...

Just an OE replacement set?

Or a custom set from Carillo or whoever? That largely depends on your specific needs and if you are doing any crank work (can't see why you'd want to).


Pistons are the first things to let go on this car, for sure. Very rare to see a rod just outright buckle or let go in a non-hydrolock situation.