[HPF Chris]

Thanks guys. Pricing will be closer to the $10K mark. I wish this kit was as easy as a civic kit or eclipse kit. We do sell turbo kits for some cars for $1500 but that just isn't going to be possible here.

I've been driving the car back and forth to and from work without issues so far (running minimal to no boost). We now need to focus on the electronics so that we can run boost. This phase will begin today. I'll keep you all posted.

Take care,
Chris.

[longtran]

very nice.....

[ALPINE6SPD]

cant wait to see the results. You plan on running it at the track so we can see some real world numbers?

[kt157]

i think the price should be comparable to the turbo kuts for the is300

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by kt157

i think the price should be comparable to the turbo kuts for the is300

My thoughts exactly. IS300 turbo kits are very expensive.
Afterall, who expects BMW turbo kit to be cheap...

[kt157]

u can get a turbo/ superchager kit for the is300 for around 5-6k

[BMW_E90]

Originally Posted by timzerofive

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yea roll your eyes... you cant prove me wrong. the accords hitting 14 flat with a slippin clutch. isnt too bad for a accord. although is quite fast on the freeways (spanked a stock evo 8) when it was only boost 7.9 i believe, now its boosting 9)

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by BMW_E90

yea roll your eyes... you cant prove me wrong. the accords hitting 14 flat with a slippin clutch. isnt too bad for a accord. although is quite fast on the freeways (spanked a stock evo 8) when it was only boost 7.9 i believe, now its boosting 9)

i don't know why you are keep comparing a bmw's turbo kit to a some family sedan honda hair dryer kit.

14.0 with slipping clutch is impressive. 5g accord? which turbo kit? what motor?

[obLu]

some family sedan honda hair dryer kit

Bahahahahaha

[RichP]

10K for a turbo, until the last 2 years, was the norm for other BMWs (aka the E36 Active Kit) Generally, to FI a BMW is a 5-6K venture, so 10K is a bit on the high end, but not completely out of the question. Look at the hardware these guys are putting on this kit, there is nothing mickey-mouse about it.

I personally think about 5-6K pushes the limit of the market; around 10K and you have to REALLY want a turbo 330 rather than an M3 or something else, especially when this is probably going to be about $1500 or so in labor to install.

mmm....boost...

[timzerofive]

Originally Posted by BMW_E90

yea roll your eyes... you cant prove me wrong. the accords hitting 14 flat with a slippin clutch. isnt too bad for a accord. although is quite fast on the freeways (spanked a stock evo 8) when it was only boost 7.9 i believe, now its boosting 9)

I'm rolling my eyes not because I dont believe you, I'm rolling my eyes because you want a fully custom setup BMW kit to be the same price as an Accord turbo, that's just not going to happen. Why? Accord kit shares a lot of part with civic/integra, which means the parts are mass produced, which in terms translates into lower price. In addition, tuning of an turbo accord is a lot simpler than tuning a BMW. Why? Simple ECU setup. An ApexiS-AFC is pretty much sufficient for the FMS.

That time and power is quite believable for an Accord, but I'm betting the motor probably received some work also. Otherwise the guy's got some balls running 9lbs with no motorwork on a non-H22 motor. He will probably blow the motor pretty soon if he pushes it everyday. A honda motor is so easy to turbo its not even funny. My friend had turboed his 4 door 96 civic non-vtec with used parts for under $1000 since he did the labor himself.

Would I want that on my BMW? Nope. He didn't change the fuel pump, FPR, fuel rail, injectors, cams, pistons, clutch, flywheel, nothing. In fact, he used regular rubber hose as fuel lines!!! All he did was hooked up an afc and put in 91 gas. That's ghetto turbo for you.

If these guys can keep the price under $15k I would be impressed. Well... actually depends on what's included with the kit I guess. Perhaps throw in some goodies like upgraded clutch/flywheel, upgraded wastegate and bov, exhaust, some gauges (oil pres, exhaust temp, boost gauge), and electronic boost control... etc, to make the deal sweeter.

[trurace]

^^^^^^ I completly agree with you. My friend just blew his H22 a couple weeks ago at like 10 or 11 psi.

And i doubt he was "spanking" any evo's. It is possible for a accord but at 7psi thats pretty hard to believe. Unless his car was tuned to perfection.

$10,000 is alot of money but you people have to realize that it is a BMW!!!!! Anything you put on a BMW has to be prefect

^^^^^ and im sure the kit will come with some pretty good stuff he already mentioned its coming with a catalytic converter (thats pretty good)

[BMW_E90]

Originally Posted by timzerofive

I'm rolling my eyes not because I dont believe you, I'm rolling my eyes because you want a fully custom setup BMW kit to be the same price as an Accord turbo, that's just not going to happen. Why? Accord kit shares a lot of part with civic/integra, which means the parts are mass produced, which in terms translates into lower price. In addition, tuning of an turbo accord is a lot simpler than tuning a BMW. Why? Simple ECU setup. An ApexiS-AFC is pretty much sufficient for the FMS.

That time and power is quite believable for an Accord, but I'm betting the motor probably received some work also. Otherwise the guy's got some balls running 9lbs with no motorwork on a non-H22 motor. He will probably blow the motor pretty soon if he pushes it everyday. A honda motor is so easy to turbo its not even funny. My friend had turboed his 4 door 96 civic non-vtec with used parts for under $1000 since he did the labor himself.

Would I want that on my BMW? Nope. He didn't change the fuel pump, FPR, fuel rail, injectors, cams, pistons, clutch, flywheel, nothing. In fact, he used regular rubber hose as fuel lines!!! All he did was hooked up an afc and put in 91 gas. That's ghetto turbo for you.

If these guys can keep the price under $15k I would be impressed. Well... actually depends on what's included with the kit I guess. Perhaps throw in some goodies like upgraded clutch/flywheel, upgraded wastegate and bov, exhaust, some gauges (oil pres, exhaust temp, boost gauge), and electronic boost control... etc, to make the deal sweeter.

dude he said "i agree 5k is like the price for an integra's turbo upgrade." thats y i said he's crazy and the accord is a custom turbo kit done by L's a pretty impressive garage. the accord has no motor work stock accord f23, he's running fine daily driven.

[BMW_E90]

Originally Posted by trurace

^^^^^^ I completly agree with you. My friend just blew his H22 a couple weeks ago at like 10 or 11 psi.

And i doubt he was "spanking" any evo's. It is possible for a accord but at 7psi thats pretty hard to believe. Unless his car was tuned to perfection.

$10,000 is alot of money but you people have to realize that it is a BMW!!!!! Anything you put on a BMW has to be prefect

^^^^^ and im sure the kit will come with some pretty good stuff he already mentioned its coming with a catalytic converter (thats pretty good)

no 1 believed that the accord could spank a stock evo on the honda forums and they even acused the evo driver that he probably couldnt drive, prove them all wrong at a meet. if u cant believe me bring a stock evo on with some cash. he'd run you any day. and yes the accord was tunned at L's motorworks also and he's also on hondata.(forgot to mention)

[diesel007]

I'll still take the e46 m3. I had a supercharged Integra running 10psi. That thing was nothing but problems. The BMW is a way more complicated setup.

Impressive setup though. We need tuners like this for our e90's. Without them we would all be rolling stock cars, (not that there is anything wrong with that).

[timzerofive]

Originally Posted by BMW_E90

dude he said "i agree 5k is like the price for an integra's turbo upgrade." thats y i said he's crazy and the accord is a custom turbo kit done by L's a pretty impressive garage. the accord has no motor work stock accord f23, he's running fine daily driven.

A greddy kit for an integ is almost $5gs with the intercooler. Not that crazy. Running stock motor... I wonder how long will it last.
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Not too hard to believe a custom turbo vehicle can outrun an EVO at top speed on the freeway. Afterall, the EVO's turbo is not THAT big. My old car outran an EVO on the freeway, but thats after passing 120mph. The big T3/T4 doesn't completely open up until top end. But with only 9lb and no motor work, then I'm skeptic.

[diesel007]

Originally Posted by timzerofive

A greddy kit for an integ is almost $5gs with the intercooler. Not that crazy. Running stock motor... I wonder how long will it last.

Depends on how much psi. 7-10 will be fine. Anything higher then that and you will have some serious reliability issues.

[HPF Chris]

Any car can be modded to go extremely fast. It's all about how much you want to spend and how unreliable you want your car to be. I have a 9 second Supra (hopefully 8 second this year) which is quite fast but it cost an arm and a leg and likes to break parts. We will also be debuting a 500whp EVO this year which has all HorsepowerFreaks mods that should be pretty impressive as well.

This kit is far more complicated and complex than the turbo kits we've built for other cars. There are a lot of parts that you would not even consider needing for other turbo kits that are required to meet my 6 rules of success for this product. The car is also considerably more money as I spent $100K for both the 530i and 330i which are being used as gunea pigs. This is a high risk endeavor, and we wouldn't want BMW owners that spend $45K on a 330 to have to take these chances. The car must drive like's it's stock, appear stock looking, run as smooth as stock, have stock-like reliability, no check engine lights and hopefully pass emissions testing. This is very very complicated and there are a lot of parts to this kit.

I built these turbo kits because I wanted to have a couple nice luxury cars to drive that had hidden, quiet, unexpected, tire smoking power paired with exceptional handling. I also knew that when I did, others with the same desire would want them as well.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

Chris.

[poldim]

Originally Posted by trurace

^^^^^^ I completly agree with you. My friend just blew his H22 a couple weeks ago at like 10 or 11 psi.

And i doubt he was "spanking" any evo's. It is possible for a accord but at 7psi thats pretty hard to believe. Unless his car was tuned to perfection.

$10,000 is alot of money but you people have to realize that it is a BMW!!!!! Anything you put on a BMW has to be prefect

^^^^^ and im sure the kit will come with some pretty good stuff he already mentioned its coming with a catalytic converter (thats pretty good)

I think 10K would be the realistc limit. 15K is just rediculas. When you consider that the base price of a 330 is 36K and the 325 is 31K, 15% would be about 40% and 50% respectively. Thats just plain stupid.

No kit is going to be perfect. At least nothing that can be produced in so little time as I'm sure the E90 is not the only thing in Chris' life and anyone else whos working on this project. Nearly all, aftermarket turbo's for cars that werent factory turbo'ed require you to spend time under the hood checking everything and making sure nothing ever fucks up.

[poldim]

Originally Posted by timzerofive

A greddy kit for an integ is almost $5gs with the intercooler. Not that crazy. Running stock motor... I wonder how long will it last.
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Not too hard to believe a custom turbo vehicle can outrun an EVO at top speed on the freeway. Afterall, the EVO's turbo is not THAT big. My old car outran an EVO on the freeway, but thats after passing 120mph. The big T3/T4 doesn't completely open up until top end. But with only 9lb and no motor work, then I'm skeptic.

I turbo'ed my integra and the greddy kit is way over priced. Drag kit and Rev hard kits are much better with a wastegate upgrade. Full race kit is a wonderful kit for about 3.5K.

[trurace]

"although is quite fast on the freeways (spanked a stock evo 8)"
"no 1 believed that the accord could spank a stock evo"
ummmm........................ But anyways, yea hondata is pretty sick with ECU's. With that it would probably pull a little on the EVO.

^^^^^^HorsepowerFreak. You guys are doing a NICE job. That kit is one of the cleanest kits ive seen. Just spray that intercooler piping black and no1 will even know your boosting. Im already saving up for my kit : ). Good Luck with the kits

P.S. There is a 500whp EVO in Miami. Words can not explain how fast that thing is. Good luck with yours

[ldpantoja]

10K? Another 15K and you can get yourself an M5 Engine!!!