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      09-12-2013, 10:01 PM   #67
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Sorry but we didn't video tape any runs. I was just looking on the corvette forums and have seen others claiming they ran similar MPH, I don't know if they are making it up because I don't know them. Again maybe he was lucky that day. I just remember he ran that because I was amazed at the MPH. There is no way for me to prove it. He got rid of that car a few years later and as far as I know he now drives a new ZR1.
Maybe its possible he had heads and didn't know? I dunno man, but Ive studied vettes and know all the mods and specs on every aftermarket head and cam you can get and throw in. So all Im saying is unless it had a charger or NOS I just don't see how it ran 128. I could believe 125 lol but 128 is up there.
Not a big deal, don't mean to argue the point.

The reason I sold mine was because I wanted something I could just hop in and go to the store and not shift the car which is why I got an auto this time.
If I got a vette again it would be an LS3 and Id slap and edelbrock charger on it. 550rwhp safe HP safe tune and with tons of room to go even higher
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Maybe its possible he had heads and didn't know? I dunno man, but Ive studied vettes and know all the mods and specs on every aftermarket head and cam you can get and throw in. So all Im saying is unless it had a charger or NOS I just don't see how it ran 128. I could believe 125 lol but 128 is up there.
Not a big deal, don't mean to argue the point.

The reason I sold mine was because I wanted something I could just hop in and go to the store and not shift the car which is why I got an auto this time.
If I got a vette again it would be an LS3 and Id slap and edelbrock charger on it. 550rwhp safe HP safe tune and with tons of room to go even higher
I guess anythings possible with people and them modding their cars. That LS3 motor is a monster. Amazing.
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I beat a head cam fbo c5z with jb4 meth/ ms 109 intake exhaust and a race map. He trapped 124-126. I got em by 3 cars. He had drag radials I had stock tires lol. In my z he stands no chance.
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I beat a head cam fbo c5z with jb4 meth/ ms 109 intake exhaust and a race map. He trapped 124-126. I got em by 3 cars. He had drag radials I had stock tires lol. In my z he stands no chance.
who stands no chance in your z? edit: i guess youre talkin about your Z vs the Z u raced in ur 335?
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      09-12-2013, 11:09 PM   #71
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I beat a head cam fbo c5z with jb4 meth/ ms 109 intake exhaust and a race map. He trapped 124-126. I got em by 3 cars. He had drag radials I had stock tires lol. In my z he stands no chance.
So you're saying that your 335i can trap higher than 126? That would be amazing if true.
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So you're saying that your 335i can trap higher than 126? That would be amazing if true.
Not without a turbo upgrade hes not
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So you're saying that your 335i can trap higher than 126? That would be amazing if true.
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Not without a turbo upgrade hes not
i wasnt sure if hes implying that his stock turbo meth race gas 335i was faster than my car or the c5z i raced? confused lol
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i wasnt sure if hes implying that his stock turbo meth race gas 335i was faster than my car or the c5z i raced? confused lol
I think he's talking about the C5 Zo6 he raced that trapped over 126.
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I think he's talking about the C5 Zo6 he raced that trapped over 126.
ok well here's the view from inside lè bimmer

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So you're saying that your 335i can trap higher than 126? That would be amazing if true.
If it happened on a dragstrip, I guess I can believe it. Just because a manual transmission car can trap 124-126 mph doesn't necessarily mean the owner can drive and launch it consistently -- or get a decent 60'.

But yeah, trapping high 120's in a C5/C6 Corvette takes close to 500 rwhp. And that's definitely possible with a set of very good aftermarket heads and an aggressive cam on the LS6 engine in the C5Z. LS3 cars have been making these numbers with just a healthy cam and bolt-ons. But they have more cubes and much better heads from the factory. It's why I bought an LS3 car.
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Man, makes me want to stuff an LSX into my M3 now lol
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Didn't Shivs car trap 130 on 700whp. I just have a hard time believing a 600whp 4 door weighing 3600lb would pull on a 600whp 3100lb Z06. You are instantly in the power because of spray. You can't take a whole lot of weight out of one of those cars there's not much there. I think it was probably just on motor and not on Bottle. That car on Bottle should be an easy 135mph car.
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shivs car trapped 130 on less than 700whp. my car is likely over 600whp at 21psi and e40 on that run. and the z was prob more in the 5-550whp range

and you can see him instantly pull me. it's not till 4th gear I make up the ground
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figured him at roughly 800 ish pounds less than me and 80-100 whp less adds up to me besides I think I was there <
I don't have a vbox but try to keep an eye on my speedo in the second run in the bimmer POV vid. I'm sure that 60-130 is blistering
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I beat a head cam fbo c5z with jb4 meth/ ms 109 intake exhaust and a race map. He trapped 124-126. I got em by 3 cars. He had drag radials I had stock tires lol. In my z he stands no chance.
nice, i raced c6 ls3 fbo heads and cam pulled on him 1 to 1.5 car length on stock turbos at 18.5 psi without intercooler and meth, the race from 50mph to 155mph, my car 135i n54 no wight reduction, the c6 driver thought im 600 rwhp lol

and im sure 100% the c5z in the vid on high shot of nos
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If it happened on a dragstrip, I guess I can believe it. Just because a manual transmission car can trap 124-126 mph doesn't necessarily mean the owner can drive and launch it consistently -- or get a decent 60'.

But yeah, trapping high 120's in a C5/C6 Corvette takes close to 500 rwhp. And that's definitely possible with a set of very good aftermarket heads and an aggressive cam on the LS6 engine in the C5Z. LS3 cars have been making these numbers with just a healthy cam and bolt-ons. But they have more cubes and much better heads from the factory. It's why I bought an LS3 car.
LS3 is the better engine for building. Especially for forced induction. I guess i'll have to stick with N/A for now. There are some supercharged guys on LS7's but I think they are playing with fire. The cylinders walls are just too thin for my liking.
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figured him at roughly 800 ish pounds less than me and 80-100 whp less adds up to me besides I think I was there <
I don't have a vbox but try to keep an eye on my speedo in the second run in the bimmer POV vid. I'm sure that 60-130 is blistering
dude with ur setup u should race c6z with intake, x-pipe, headers and tune = about 505 rwhp and ur car about 600rwhp, just make sure the c6z without nos

for sure ur car will run 60-130 about 6.5 sec.

next time race from 50mph the rpm at 5k set the boost at 18.5 2nd gear and u will pull like a beast
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LS3 is the better engine for building. Especially for forced induction.
This is surpisingly true, judging by the number of callaway (sp?) corvettes sitting at the chevy dealership, just 3 miles from my house. You'd see like 5 supercharged callaway non Z06 C6's, each with 606HP, and full warranty. Then you'd see a ZR1 for like a ton more $, and only 50 more ponys!
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shivs car trapped 130 on less than 700whp. my car is likely over 600whp at 21psi and e40 on that run. and the z was prob more in the 5-550whp range

and you can see him instantly pull me. it's not till 4th gear I make up the ground
I would venture to say its on motor and it makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 450-460whp. The gearing and weight of that car make it really lethal. If it was 550whp it would of pulled the BMW pretty good. Back in the day when the C6 Z came out it would take 570-590whp to get around one with a 03 cobra and those make around 450-460whp. An 03 cobra weighs a little less then a E90 car. It can't be a big cam car and nitrous it would beat your car. Logically a 50 hit on a wetshot usually picks up 50whp 100 would be 100whp respectively.

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I would venture to say its on motor and it makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 450-460whp. The gearing and weight of that car make it really lethal. If it was 550whp it would of pulled the BMW pretty good. Back in the day when the C6 Z came out it would take 570-590whp to get around one with a 03 cobra and those make around 450-460whp. An 03 cobra weighs a little less then a E90 car.
so if its 450-460whp it would trap roughly what?
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so if its 450-460whp it would trap roughly what?
122-125 depending on driver and da. Without knowing the cam specs the car could truly be a 120mph car. Cams in these cars would be like saying your car is a turbo, theres a lot of variables when it comes to cam's just like this is when it comes to turbos. That car would be lethal on a 150 shot. Ps your build thread is sick.
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122-125 depending on driver and da. Without knowing the cam specs the car could truly be a 120mph car. Cams in these cars would be like saying your car is a turbo, theres a lot of variables when it comes to cam's just like this is when it comes to turbos. That car would be lethal on a 150 shot. Ps your build thread is sick.

fair enough.. i dont know all his details. Heres what i know, my car trapped 121 on 16PSI with absolutely no launch due to lag and a 2.8 60ft.

I was running 21PSI against him in these vids. so that makes him a mid 120 car easily
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