[dxb335d]

I rekon so, i saw one towing a trailer witha race elise on doing a ton.
Mental. I have some good old stories from
driving some sprinters years ago.

PROPER RACERS VAN.

[Oli]

Except you can buy a VW crafter, which is the same van, for a couple of grand less.

Best van on the Market is a transporter.

[singh182]

crafter is sheeeeet!! SPRINTER all the way.. my dads got 3 of em. ones got over 210.000 miles still goin strong on same engine.. pulls like a train all day long!

[Oli]

It's the same van numb nuts, built in the same factory!

[dxb335d]

My old man had a few for his company. One got upto 300k the other 150k

[jjbirch]

transporter is a ok van, drives much better than the sprinter.weight carrying the transporter is rubbish, and not very good on fuel, merc have allways been quick when they first come out there were quick, brother in law has brought 2 316 i think busses like the DHL ones, allways loaded with tools and it dosnt look loaded

[Em135eye]

They make a Vito with a 200+bhp six pot diesel motor - gets to 60 in just over 8 seconds (even the pokiest Transporter takes 12 seconds). Cool!

http://www.vansunited.co.uk/vans/rev...ualiner-120cdi

[E90SLAM]

Top Gear van comparison?

[Oli]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

They make a Vito with a 200+bhp six pot diesel motor - gets to 60 in just over 8 seconds (even the pokiest Transporter takes 12 seconds). Cool!

http://www.vansunited.co.uk/vans/rev...ualiner-120cdi

The vito is a rust bucket. And you can't turn the traction off, very restrictive. The transporter is 10 times a better van. Over the last 10 year I have probably sold or leased 250 transporters and 2 vitos. People just tend to buy the vito because of it's badge then realise the big mistake they've made.

The T5.1 transporter is a massive step forward from what was already a great van, euro 5, very frugal and a range topping 180bhp twin turbo (ignore the figures they are very conservative)- I run a few of them now. The 4 motion is a corker!

[Oli]

Here's one of my 'new' T5.1 Kombi vans;

[singh182]

Originally Posted by Oli

It's the same van numb nuts, built in the same factory!

yh i know its the same van u numpty!... but for carying weight the sprinter wins hands down... at the end of the day u dont buy a van cos it looks nice... main reason is cos of its weight capacity!! duhhhhh

[Em135eye]

Oli - I've tried a "new" T5 and just cannot get on with that engine - a 2.0 four pot in a van just doesn't feel right - I preferred the 5 pot 2.5 174 unit.

Otherwise I agree - best vans (mid size) by miles. Not a Vito fan - just impressed by that loony one.

[pjs]

Some would argue an E91 is the best van

[Oli]

Originally Posted by singh182

yh i know its the same van u numpty!... but for carying weight the sprinter wins hands down... at the end of the day u dont buy a van cos it looks nice... main reason is cos of its weight capacity!! duhhhhh

Haha, do your homework, they are exactly the same van with the same bodyshell, just different badges and engines, so they carry exactly the same weight. They look identical, bar the badges and grille.

Now how would you like to apologise

[Oli]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Oli - I've tried a "new" T5 and just cannot get on with that engine - a 2.0 four pot in a van just doesn't feel right - I preferred the 5 pot 2.5 174 unit.

Otherwise I agree - best vans (mid size) by miles. Not a Vito fan - just impressed by that loony one.

I know what you mean, it took a lot of time for me to get used to it, as we've now swapped pretty much our whole fleet over to the faclift van, but when you drive them back, the difference is just incredible, in favour of the new van - Just feels lighter and more responsive. That new 180BHP, would run rings round the old 174BHP.

We re-mapped one of the Vito Van-x, which took it to approx 250BHP, however it is only available as auto, and the torque convertor and traction just saps the fun out of it. On the move though, it is a very comfortable/capable van.

[Em135eye]

Trouble is that people (especially down here in Cornwall) are bazzing up T5s and ruining them. They are almost getting more "boy racer" than some Novas and Scoobies!

Plus a lot chip them but don't worry about the brakes/shocks - a 200++bhp van with bags of torque is a recipe for disaster on the twisties.

However they are fun in 174 (and 180) form and I prefer the facelifted look now I've got used to it - in fact there's one in my driveway now. The electrician has one!

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Oli

I know what you mean, it took a lot of time for me to get used to it, as we've now swapped pretty much our whole fleet over to the faclift van, but when you drive them back, the difference is just incredible, in favour of the new van - Just feels lighter and more responsive. That new 180BHP, would run rings round the old 174BHP.

We re-mapped one of the Vito Van-x, which took it to approx 250BHP, however it is only available as auto, and the torque convertor and traction just saps the fun out of it. On the move though, it is a very comfortable/capable van.

70HP increase from 180?????//

[Em135eye]

Carlos - the Merc van mentioned starts off with over 200bhp (it's a turbo'd 3.0 litre six pot).

The 180 is for the VW van.

[dxb335d]

180-250 does not sound right.

[Oli]

Its 204BHP in standard form. It is a restricted 3.0V6 TDI in the van, heavily detuned at the factory.

[Em135eye]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

180-250 does not sound right.

Carlos - you are still mixing up your vans!

VW Transporter - 2.0 4 pot bi-turbo - 180PS
Merc Vito 120 Sport-x - 3.0 6 pot turbo - 204bhp (or about 210PS)

No one has chipped a 180PS VW van to 250bhp - that I know of! It's a mere 46bhp increase for the Merc van to get to 250bhp from 204bhp.

[Oli]

Celtic tuning chip the VW 180BHP, and quote about 250BHP, but they are a right dodgy outfit, and there is no way I would use one of their maps.