Sharkedit (Shark Injector) tuner from Jim C. ($299 and details)

Jeeves915 · 05-03-2008, 09:56 PM

This is how the market for the Evo ECU tuning went too, IIRC. First there were the piggybacks (Vishnu, et al.), then the ECU flashes, then the DIY flash software.
For some reason, I'm strangely happy with this.

I DO think that there are some advantages to piggy backs, such as all the nifty toys being built into the procece, but, for an average tinkerer like me, being able to tweak my car a touch, so that I can nudge it up a few HP to MY comfort level is mighty spiffy...
Just my $0.03 (adjusted due to inflation...lol!)
-Adam

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 09:56 PM

Does anyone know if there is a flash counter or anything like that? Something that would show how many times the ECU has been "flashed" with something....

05-03-2008, 09:57 PM

I'm happy. I'll wait it out.

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Orb

I would for sure. It will not take long untill we have a mass files of all type of maps but will see what Jim says.

Orb

I am PMing them to cancel my order right now. I am also gonna leave a message. I guess in the end it is good that it took them so long to ship it too me....

SharkEDIT FTW!

5soko · 05-03-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Does anyone know if there is a flash counter or anything like that? Something that would show how many times the ECU has been "flashed" with something....

i was thinking the same.
i know of alot of people who blew there engines on STI's using there own custom backyard tuner adjustments, i hope people can tune wisely if it is how i think this works.

e.n335 · 05-03-2008, 09:58 PM

There is a flash counter and I am pretty sure the software will handle it.

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 5soko335i

i was thinking the same, i know of alot of people who blew there engines on STI's using there own custom backyard tuner adjustments, i hope people can tune wisely if it is how i think this works.

I am sure that there will be many many maps once people start using this. It will end up costing one or two people money but then will be posting online for everyone.

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

There is a flash counter and I am pretty sure the software will handle it.

Thanks Eugen. I am pretty excited about this, and I just added 800 bucks to my bank account....

lndshrk · 05-03-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

There is a flash counter and I am pretty sure the software will handle it.

There is a "counter" but it is not as you think.

And we don't touch it. We don't modify it.

So all is good.

Jim

stressdoc · 05-03-2008, 10:00 PM

Will this spell the end of turbos? Do you computer brainiacs know how BMW might ever wrestle control back over their CPUs? Tuning NAs is blasé -- not much you can do power wise, maybe 10%. But when you can adjust boost -- well, we've seen what can happen.

I still wonder if all this could not have been circumvented by BMW performance monopolizing the market, reducing the financial incentive for tuners to get involved in the first place. Probably would not have stopped a maverick like JC though.

Man, if this is what he's doing to the 335, can you imagine what his M3 will be like? AMGs will be very heavy paperweights... The only folks really able to have fun with his toys will be driving in Germany.

05-03-2008, 10:01 PM

So right now I'm running SSTT, I picked up my car in early December 07.. but I have an 08' ... I have old ECU, which means piggyback restriction.... is a nono? I'm running SSTT.... right now and it feels as I have extra power, just dont wnna get caught

e.n335 · 05-03-2008, 10:02 PM

Won't you prefer a Conforti, Dinan or AA rather than a homemade map ?

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

There is a "counter" but it is not as you think.

And we don't touch it. We don't modify it.

So all is good.

Jim

Good to see you online answering questions right now.

Have you released what kind of power numbers you expect on "your" map?

lndshrk · 05-03-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

I am sure that there will be many many maps once people start using this. It will end up costing one or two people money but then will be posting online for everyone.

As intended - the software is DESIGNED for collaboration because it has a
semi-*nix (Linux/Unix/Posix) permissions meme.

In short it knows Creator, Owner, Group, and World.

The Creator of a project (think: tuning project) sets who can access and
in what mode: No Access, Read Only, Read/Write.

The Creator alone adds members to "the group"

So if you are the creator of a tune - you can add your friends to a group
and then allow them read-only (or read/write) perms.

So they can work with you - or just share in your tune.

There are also going to be professional tuners making tunes with this
software and delivering them via the Shark Injector as well as MY tunes.

Ergo, I wired the door w/ det cord - and blew it off the hinges.

Aka it's "WIDE OPEN"

Nite all - Jim needs a nap.

Orb · 05-03-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen_E92

Mark I'm sure you can help me set up the thing if I get it

I don think there be much to do at all. I just want it because I'm curious.

Honestly, copy Dinan stage III coding and get an IC and you’re done. Go to the dealer put stage II back in and when you leave stage III.

The chaos this thing is going to create for other tuners hasn't even begun yet.

Orb

5soko · 05-03-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GAMEOVR

So right now I'm running SSTT, I picked up my car in early December 07.. but I have an 08' ... I have old ECU, which means piggyback restriction.... is a nono? I'm running SSTT.... right now and it feels as I have extra power, just dont wnna get caught

the SSTT is working on the new v81 DME without any codes or logging according to Euorbahn, FWIW, they recived there car a few weeks ago and were running the latest software according to them and still made 40+WHP on there 135i, without any detection.

T Bone · 05-03-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Orb

Hum, copy Dinan stage II or III flash for 300.00 (I know it is evil but all is fair). This very cool and I think Jim made so new enemies. I don’t think we have seen how far this will go until we start thinking about….it the coolest idea yet

Orb

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Originally Posted by E82tt6

Very exciting indeed. If the rumors regarding V81 are true, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of prominant tuners jumping into the "profesional suite"

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Originally Posted by E82tt6

Agreed. Piggybacks=COMPLETELY obsolete as soon as this is released.

Whoa, we really don't know what level of access and to which variables the Land Shark will get access to. Would you be able to play with fuel maps, injector cycles, top speed delete?? The Land Shark is just a portal.

If I were some of the tuners, I would be working with Jim to see how they can key tuner's maps to VINs like they are going to do for the Land Shark units to individual cars.

The tuners are going to have to adapt into a software licensing model for alot cheaper than current prices..... I think as a community, we would not mind forking over a few hundred bucks for people to do maps.

Poor Dinan.

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Does anyone know if there is a flash counter or anything like that? Something that would show how many times the ECU has been "flashed" with something....

Yes I believe the MSD80 already has a flash counter. If you are worried about the number of times flash devices can get written to, it is in at least 10s of thousands....if you are worried about the number flashes raising concerns with BMW, I believe this is the bigger issue.

e90AW335i · 05-03-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

Nite all - Jim needs a nap.

Wanna answer one more about "your" map?

e.n335 · 05-03-2008, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lndshrk

As intended - the software is DESIGNED for collaboration because it has a
semi-*nix (Linux/Unix/Posix) permissions meme.

In short it knows Creator, Owner, Group, and World.

The Creator of a project (think: tuning project) sets who can access and
in what mode: No Access, Read Only, Read/Write.

The Creator alone adds members to "the group"

So if you are the creator of a tune - you can add your friends to a group
and then allow them read-only (or read/write) perms.

So they can work with you - or just share in your tune.

There are also going to be professional tuners making tunes with this
software and delivering them via the Shark Injector as well as MY tunes.

Ergo, I wired the door w/ det cord - and blew it off the hinges.

Aka it's "WIDE OPEN"

Nite all - Jim needs a nap.

T Bone · 05-03-2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

the SSTT is working on the new v81 DME without any codes or logging according to Euorbahn, FWIW, they recived there car a few weeks ago and were running the latest software according to them and still made 40+WHP on there 135i, without any detection.

We don't know this. The SSTT may have triggered a code that we don't know about. Unless we can get the FASTA data AND know what we are looking for, we cannot make this conclusion about the SSTT + MSD80 v81.

ArmyBimmerDude · 05-03-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by T Bone

Poor Dinan.

Nah. They still provide the warranty and security people need, plus the amount of people on this website is miniscule to the total amount of 335 owners in the U.S.

They'll be fine.

Not sure about the other tuners though....

lndshrk · 05-03-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

I still wonder if all this could not have been circumvented by BMW performance monopolizing the market, reducing the financial incentive for tuners to get involved in the first place. Probably would not have stopped a maverick like JC though.

Last post before sleep

I think (personal observation - not corporate observation) that it is BMW's
attempt to capture the market w/ "BMW Performance" that will be their
undoing.

In short - I think someone is eventually going to sue them to Christmas.

Some inventive or wealthy car owner - or one w/ a good litigator Brother-in-law.

How do they get off locking us OWNERS out of the cars we OWN?

But then say - "well, but you can buy it FROM US". (us = BMW Performance)

That entire thing smacks of a major violation of the Moss-Magnuson Warr. Act.

Not to mention anti-trust, competitive restriction, etc laws.

Jim

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