[jpsimon]

*sorry for the delay everyone, i'll send you the log files today

[M.A.C.K.]

I have well over 300+ whp over stock, I have a custom GT35R on the car with a butterfly manifold.........custom big cone filter intake, with a solid 3 inch Turbo Back exhaust, with a custom front mount from AA and an upgraded oil cooler........obviously I have had to upgrade my clutch and rear diff, but my car is a beast, I just don't post about it on here since you all are so worried about simple BOLT ONs.........i also have a custom flash from this east coast tuner that has worked with a European company that cracked the BMW 335i ECU (V80 and pre 29.2).....

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

lets stay on topic guys. its a dyno thread, not how much money it takes to make power!

+1 start a new thread if you want to complain about how much money you have to spend to make power.

[Lane]

Good gains! Some find the price of parts steep, I think its not very high. Especially, since waiting for a while gets you the same performance cheaper by JB3 race gas map or Procede rev 2. However, the cost of parts is only a fraction of the total cost. Add 1. installing, 2.cost of running race gas is a big expense in the long run 3. Totally catless should remove your warranty, priceless... 4. Running catless is also illegal and harmful. Even if you don't give a s##t about the environment. You can get fines depending on where you live. Thus the total cost is subjective depending on how you perceive the value of warranty and running catless. We will see some going all out with high gains, while most prefer having just tune and dual cones and keep at least one pair of cats.

edit. I agree cost is a bit offtopic but since someone took it up I just provided a more complete picture.

[jpsimon]

warranty? What's that?

Cost to install? What's that?

[jpsimon]

I'm on my iPhone so I can't update the thread with the new JB3 and progman info until later. (they really need to give us an option to view the normal site. Not just this bullshit lite version)

[Lane]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

warranty? What's that?

Cost to install? What's that?

All subjective depending on how you value your time etc... E.g. I purchased my 335i two years ago with only two years warranty...

[David 12]

I thought I would throw this info on just for comparison. I know different dyno, different day (although the sstt numbers are very similar) but I believe many people are still running these tunes. Plus, I know that hp numbers don't tell the whole story; look at V1.47 after 6k rpms. But you can look at the beta hp figures (before vs after.)

Again, I am not making a specific point here - Just for interest sake only!

From the Mr.5 dyno thread:

"These runs were done on the same exact car on the same exact dyno with 91 Octane. These comparisons are pretty much the best you can get. It never makes sense to me when tuners start comparing dynos from a dynopack to a mustang dyno, etc. All dynos read differently even if they are the same type of dyno and all cars behave differently.
Also, 3 runs from each tuner were taken and the best run from the 3 was chosen for the final graph. I didn't try to screw anyone and compare their lower graph to another tuner's higher graph. Just in case you don't believe me, I have included the 3 runs from each tuner including the stock 3 runs ... For those that don't want to bother with going through all of the graphs, I'll post the unbelievable numbers:"

Procede V1.47 ($1300) .....333 whp and 371 wheel torque
Xede (1200)......................325 whp and 361 wheel torque
JB2H ($359) .....................332 whp and 341 wheel torque
JB2 ($349) .......................308 whp and 332 wheel torque
SSTT ($600) ......................305 whp and 332 wheel torque

Baseline...........................280 whp and 294 wheel torque

The Procede had a gain of 53 whp and 77 wheel torque.
The Exede had a gain of 45 whp and 67 wheel torque.
The JB Stage 2 with the Hot pill (JB2H) had a gain of 52 whp and 47
The JB Stage 2 had a gain of 28 whp and 38 wheel torque, but notice how well the hp holds over the TT.
The TT had a gain of 25 whp and 38 wheel torque, but notice that the peak hp with the TT is a spike.


"Finally, for those that really care about the temp, humidity, etc...I used the STD with correction factors so the results should be very similar.
Here they are though:
Baseline and TT had a temperature of 88.6 F, 29.96 in-Hg, and 25% Humidity
Procede and JBS2 had a temperature of 92.5 F, 29.72 in-Hg, and 29% Humidity"

[JOe335i]

chinoxs203- your a AT right?

Specialque- what tranny you running?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Stock 335i

Yes it is, let me do some basic math for you and Shiv.

Your power increase is calculated by subtracting your power numbers (406) less the stock xi baseline (278) bringing us to a total gain of 128hp with a total of 3300 worth of parts.

The JB3 car power increase is calculated by subtracting his power numbers (362) less the stock i baseline (284) bringing us to a total gain of 78 with a total of 659 worth of parts.

So to find the difference in power vs difference in dollar amount of parts (which should be obvious by now) you take the difference in the dollar amount spent (3300 - 659) divided by the difference in gains (128 - 78). This brings us to a cost per additional hp of 52.82, or another way to say it is you paid 2641 for 50hp.

Basic math gets you to and end results that I think most people would find pretty unacceptable.

Kyle,
It's pretty simple. You are doing a whp/$ comparison of two cars with different drivetrain loss components. Not only is your calculation simplistic, it's also inherently wrong.

When making comparisons to JP's 335XI, why do you disregard the more applicable data points-- the other two XIs (running JB3s) that gained 52 and 59whp? Is it because you are just trying to make an argument and have no time/consideration for objective thought?

shiv

[Stock 335i]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Kyle,
It's pretty simple. You are doing a whp/$ comparison of two cars with different drivetrain loss components. Not only is your calculation simplistic, it's also inherently wrong.

When making comparisons to JP's 335XI, why do you disregard the more applicable data points-- the other two XIs (running JB3s) that gained 52 and 59whp? Is it because you are just trying to make an argument and have no time/consideration for objective thought?

shiv

I am comparing the highest hp numbers for each respective car. As long as you use the appropriate baseline numbers, than the power gains should be comparable.

Just forget the argument Shiv, I dont have time for the BS, your tune pwns all! Congrats...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Stock 335i

I am comparing the highest hp numbers for each respective car. As long as you use the appropriate baseline numbers, than the power gains should be comparable.

Not when you're trying to make WHEEL-hp comparisons between a 2-WHEEL Drive car and an ALL-WHEEL drive car. Get it? It's wrong on a fundamental level. Especially when you have more applicable/appropriate data points to use readily available to you.

Just forget the argument Shiv, I dont have time for the BS, your tune pwns all! Congrats...

My 8yr old nephew does something like this all the time. When his finally figures out that his argument doesn't hold water, he just tells me I have big ears.

Shiv

PS. What happened to you Kyle? Before you banning, you at least tried to be factual. Now you just seem unethical and rude.

[lawdude]

Stock 335i:

Please take your orneriness and remove yourself from the thread.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Stock 335i

Yes it is, let me do some basic math for you and Shiv.

Your power increase is calculated by subtracting your power numbers (406) less the stock xi baseline (278) bringing us to a total gain of 128hp with a total of 3300 worth of parts.

The JB3 car power increase is calculated by subtracting his power numbers (362) less the stock i baseline (284) bringing us to a total gain of 78 with a total of 659 worth of parts.

So to find the difference in power vs difference in dollar amount of parts (which should be obvious by now) you take the difference in the dollar amount spent (3300 - 659) divided by the difference in gains (128 - 78). This brings us to a cost per additional hp of 52.82, or another way to say it is you paid 2641 for 50hp.

Basic math gets you to and end results that I think most people would find pretty unacceptable.

your logic is flawed. you have heard of diminishing returns right?

stock 335i

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Not when you're trying to make WHEEL-hp comparisons between a 2-WHEEL Drive car and an ALL-WHEEL drive car. Get it? It's wrong on a fundamental level. Especially when you have more applicable/appropriate data points to use readily available to you.



My 8yr old nephew does something like this all the time. When his finally figures out that his argument doesn't hold water, he just tells me I have big ears.

Shiv

PS. What happened to you Kyle? Before you banning, you at least tried to be factual. Now you just seem unethical and rude.

wait there is another alias??? Another altered EGO?? THe saga continues!

[oddjob2021]

just read the 5 pages... wow this thread has gone way out of proportion... lol

[jpsimon]

were you expecting any less? Hah

[chinoxs203]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

chinoxs203- your a AT right?

Specialque- what tranny you running?

yes i am

[jcool10181]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Wrong thread for orneriness to seep in.

Oh, and a Helene filter being responsible for an extra 26 hp . . . I'd have to see a baseline before I rushed out to buy one.

+1 order placed the minute i saw this post.

[nj335i]

Whoever had the Helix Attache... what was your max boost during the dyno?

[mid-corner fun]

Originally Posted by nj335i

Whoever had the Helix Attache... what was your max boost during the dyno?

Sorry, don't know, I don't believe boost was logged (hint: jpsimon, still waiting for my run files)

[nj335i]

Originally Posted by PeterM1

Sorry, don't know, I don't believe boost was logged (hint: jpsimon, still waiting for my run files)

No problem... I think it would have been pretty useful if boost was logged in order to compare the different tunes/mods over the RPM band.