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05-09-2007, 06:05 PM | #23 |
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You are going to get a hundred different people responding to this 50% will say change it early, the other 50% will say change it with 5K miles or more.
Do what I did, split the difference and change the oil somewhere around 2-2500 miles. Either way, it'll be fine. Changing the oil at 500 miles surely won't make a car burn oil. But it's probably completely unnecessary, but at the same time probably couldn't hurt. You'll more than likely just be unnecessarily making the oil companies richer. They still want you to believe you NEED to change the oil in your car every 3 months or 3K miles too! Change it at 2K-2.5K miles and then every 5K or so after that with 100% fully synthetic oil. |
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05-09-2007, 07:34 PM | #25 | |
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When I got my new Cooper S MINI there were similar discussions about oils and oil change intervals. Another thing to look out for with some of these oils that don't have all the manufacture ratings is the additive package. Some promote longer life and low wear. They achieve this by adding extra additives. This sounds good right? Well sometimes they can not meet the specs set by the manufacture because the problem is there are to much of the additives. The result is the small quantity of oil that is burned in the combustion chamber leaves behind deposits from these additives that contaminate the spark plug and in the case of the 335 the HPI injectors. I would suspect these are pricey to replace. If you look at the technical documentation for the N54 engine there are specific warnings to the mechanics not to use any chemicals on the injectors or to attempt to clean them. This will distort the spray pattern resulting in spark plug damage in some cases. Also in the same document it describes the special small spark plugs used in this engine. They even require a special wrench to remove them because of their size. Just some things to think about when selecting oil for your next oil change. All oils are not created equal. This is a very high tech engine. I would be careful about telling my SA about my great and frequent oil changes unless I am filling it with the correct oil. I also suspect the average tech today knows less about the internals of a BMW engine since in most case the engine or transmission is just replaced with a remanufatured unit and not rebuilt at the dealer like in the old days. Those interested should read the documents here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38856 Look at the engine management doc starting on pages 32 and 38. Just my 2 cents.
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05-09-2007, 08:54 PM | #26 | |
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05-09-2007, 09:21 PM | #27 |
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I have a friend who just purchased an Audi A3 S-Line.
Audi does not offer free oil changes -- however, after break-in at ~1200miles they still do a free oil change. Then its every 12K. My brother just purchased a R56 Mini Cooper S. After talking to the Mini Service guy about what he should and should not do, the service advisor recommended an oil change after the break-in. My brother asked, if its required, why doesn't Mini pay for it. He got a blank stare -- then the SA offered him the oil change for 1/2 price after the break-in and even gave him a piece of paper to keep his promise. Acura/Lexus I believe are still on the 5K for every oil change schedule and on some Lexus models they do offer a free oil change after break-in (at least that is what they are giving someone I work with). So, Audi gives you a free oil change, the Mini SA had second thoughts and is willing to help with a half price change and even Lexus is giving a free oil change after break in. Myth or Myth busted My parents have had several 5-series both before and after the free break in period oil change and they continue to take it in at 1200 miles for an oil change -- because they are returning customers they have been always able to negociate for a the free oil change after break-in and the sales person has never even blinked. I am sure there is at least one BMW engineer and one BMW accountant who knows the truth -- in the meantime I feel it is cheap insurance. I would not worry about the strict 1200 mile rule but by 2K or 2500K I would get the oil changed or do it yourself. My Mom's current 5 has 250,000 miles and she has faithfully changed the oil at every 7,500mile which for her is about once every 6-month give or take a month. |
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05-09-2007, 09:51 PM | #28 |
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This dealer's "advice" is absolute BS! Assuming that you change oil with BMW approved lubricant, there is no way that new oil will screw up your rings! I repeat, this is pure BS! Heaven only knows where some dealers hire their service advisors from. You would think that he would ENCOURAGE you to change your oil, since you will pay for anything out of sequence with what your car's computer specifies. I repeat again, pure BS! If half of these idiots were required to back up their outrageous statements with facts, they would run for cover. Again, pure BS! Change your oil whenever you feel like it. It may not be necessary, but if you feel the urge, do it. Just use whatever oil BMW recommends. Your car will love you for it.
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05-09-2007, 10:05 PM | #29 | |
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05-09-2007, 10:22 PM | #30 |
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People!!! Understand 3 very basic facts:
1. The factory that built the car knows how to deal with it best PERIOD 2. If you follow BMW intervals, your engine will outlive just about everything in your car including your own interest in owning it. 3. BMW Dealer machanics are mostly "learn by the book" types and often are trained to shoot out BS information just shut the customer up. 7 years from now you are going to be driving the "last" generation 3 series and drooling over the "next" generation of the 3 series, meanwhile your engine is going to be running better than it did when you first got the car, which still isn't going to prevent you from trading it in for the new car. Save your money, and spend it on something else - like a classic car.
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05-09-2007, 11:08 PM | #31 |
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Wow, what a crazy post. Like the lease vs. buy scenarios, the what octane must I use in my twin turbo posts, the is $500 over invoice with or without MACO and training fees, i.e. all the ridiculous posts where any answer is ok, when in reality there is one answer. Like asking what time is it, and not being able to agree what the source should be.
To argue that a 1,500 mi. oil change is unnecessary, perhaps. To say it's a waste of money, probably. To say that doing so will cause the rings to not seal properly, stupid. To try to make us feel guilty for doing a break-in oil change, priceless. |
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non turbo cars with synthetic can go 15-20k miles... with recommended filter changes turbo cars are a whole different animal. Quote:
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05-10-2007, 09:46 AM | #34 | |
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I don't follow your logic. Assuming that BMW does put in "break-in" additive then presumably that corresponds to BMW's recommend first oil change interval, 15k right? IIUC, royalpurple also recommends following BMW's recommendation. 15k, right? |
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05-10-2007, 10:49 AM | #35 |
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No, not really. The 15K interval is for REGULAR oil change (which waaaaayyyyy too looooooong anyway) and break-in interval would be part of it for the first time but I would not go as far as saying it translate directly that you should not change your oil for 15K.
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05-10-2007, 11:23 AM | #36 |
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My BMW Free Scheduled Maintenance Plan so far:
7/06......20K miles oil change + car wash 1/07......30K miles Inspection Only + car wash........NO OIL CHANGE!!! 7/07......45K miles oil change + car wash * I do my own oil change every 5k miles
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05-10-2007, 11:33 AM | #37 | |
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Secondly, this whole oil change after break-in seems like the glass is half empty or half full debate. I was at the parts counter today and asked about oil change after break-in. I was told that one of the techs has a new 3 series and he changed oil after break-in. I also questioned my CA and he said you're good till 15K! Bottom line is, do whatever gives you piece of mind. If I was leasing mine, I wouldn't have a problem with a 15K change. Since I own it and plan to keep it for the long haul, I will change it before the 15K interval. I'm just at what the "right" time to change it will be. Probably between now(1200) and 5000.
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05-10-2007, 11:39 AM | #38 |
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I've known people (stupid people that is) who've gone 150,000 miles without changing their oil... They just continually add oil as it burns off....
I agree that 15000 miles is pretty rediculous oil change interval, however these motors are pretty bullet proof. It's everything else outside of the motor that you need to worry about like: automatic transmission fluid, clutches, water pumps, fuel pumps, radiators, suspension, steering, and just about anything else that is a moving part.... It's these things that start to fail LONG before the motor will. |
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05-10-2007, 11:48 AM | #39 | |
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** Correction: My first free oil change was at 20K miles....not 15k miles.
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05-10-2007, 02:17 PM | #41 | |
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I got a Flyer from BMW about their "Free Scheduled Maintenance" plan.....according to the onboard computer. And it clearly stated..........E9X's exclusively. 15k miles oil change 30k miles Inspection I(no oil change included) 45k miles oil change 60k miles Inspetion II(no oil change included) *** During the 4/50,000miles --- you get two free oil change.
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05-10-2007, 02:34 PM | #42 | |
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Just like you, I didn't buy this car for the free maintenance and fortunately I can afford the $54.10 to change the oil myself as often as I see fit! :rocks:
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05-15-2007, 04:34 PM | #43 |
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....but... in the maint manual its states that you need to change the oil at least once a year so if you dont drive much i guess you can get 4 oil changes outta them.
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05-15-2007, 08:56 PM | #44 |
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I say just follow your heart.. it is what you think that matters!
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